Apple's Passbook app integration w/ Disney

[M.rudolf]

Its all based on the Intel chip set, apple doesn't use proprietary hardware other than those odd shaped ssdd. Its all the same parts except the motherboard is different and all the parts are welded or glued in.

It is only racial if one chooses to see it as racial.

Without any explanation there really isn't any other way to look at it


My friends would have built them have not had any issues, even with different hardware.

Without any explanation there really isn't any other way to look at it

 

[ChrisM]

I just do not see it as the hype that is around it when a much better version will be released. It is ironic that most items you listed as plusses are items that other porducts already have.

Err, that's how product development cycles work. Yes, the iPhone that will be released next year will be better than the one that was just released. Amazing!

As for the features listed, some other products have them. Others don't. But I was responding to your assertion that the 5 wasn't much of an upgrade to the 4S when it clearly is. Whether it represents a better handset than its competitors I already addressed. Spec comparison between different generations of the SAME PHONE matter a whole lot more than spec comparisons betweens completely different platforms.

Don't confuse one major safete issue with ignorance of a launch panel pushing for a GO due to nothing but PR. The shuttle although costly allowed items like ISS, HST, and DoD items to be accomplished that never would have been without it.

Safety isn't even my primary criticism of the Space Shuttle program. I am a huge supporter of space exploration and my biggest complaint today is that we have become so risk averse that a "no casualty" philosophy dominates all other considerations. My complaint is that when you take all Space Shuttle program costs into account (adjusted for inflation), amortized over the life of the Shuttle program and spread over each actual launch, that each launch ended up costing roughly $1.5 billion. For a system that was sold under the premise of reducing launch costs to $1,500 per kilogram, ending up at $60,000 per kilogram is an unmitigated failure. It's such an unbelievably huge miss, in fact, I can't even cry. I can only laugh.

The original projections were for 55 launches per year. Eventually it was realized the best case was 24 launches per year, which was then reduced to an expected 12 launches per year. The most ever launched in a year was 9. And that only happened once. The average came out to just over 4.

When someone says they can do something that's never been done before for a Z dollars, it might seem amazing and worthy of a good deal of pride and chest-thumping. When you find out it was really done for ZZZZZZ dollars you start to realize pretty much anyone could have done it at that ludicrous cost if they had the money to do so...and suddenly I'm not so proud anymore. Just embarassed.

 

[ScoutN]

Spec comparison between different generations of the SAME PHONE matter a whole lot more than spec comparisons betweens completely different platforms.

That is a point I will concede to and agree on. Its marketing tactic of releasing something inferior now just to release the same thing hopped up 12 months later is a bit meh to me. Competitors are releasing entirely different phones every twelve months or so. crApple marketing is genius, no doubt about!

Safety isn't even my primary criticism of the Space Shuttle program. I am a huge supporter of space exploration and my biggest complaint today is that we have become so risk averse that a "no casualty" philosophy dominates all other considerations. My complaint is that when you take all Space Shuttle program costs into account (adjusted for inflation), amortized over the life of the Shuttle program and spread over each actual launch, that each launch ended up costing roughly $1.5 billion. For a system that was sold under the premise of reducing launch costs to $1,500 per kilogram, ending up at $60,000 per kilogram is an unmitigated failure. It's such an unbelievably huge miss, in fact, I can't even cry. I can only laugh.

The original projections were for 55 launches per year. Eventually it was realized the best case was 24 launches per year, which was then reduced to an expected 12 launches per year. The most ever launched in a year was 9. And that only happened once. The average came out to just over 4.

When someone says they can do something that's never been done before for a Z dollars, it might seem amazing and worthy of a good deal of pride and chest-thumping. When you find out it was really done for ZZZZZZ dollars you start to realize pretty much anyone could have done it at that ludicrous cost if they had the money to do so...and suddenly I'm not so proud anymore. Just embarassed.

Safetly led to several of the increases (as I am sure you know). Each incident major and minor led to more failsafes, ready checks, etc that drove the "human rated" per pound cost up. Heavy lift manned system was a great idea on paper but financially in reality just not feasible. It will be decrease my love for the program though as it is done and a lesson learned. I still never understood why that many launches per year were thought to be needed (WAY before my time when it began) for a low orbit system. That is why it is bogus that Constellation was canned. A two part lift system, one for heavy and one for man, was such a great process. I guess its canning is a result of egos and preventing one from having a legacy.

 

[wdwmagic]

Its all based on the Intel chip set, apple doesn't use proprietary hardware other than those odd shaped ssdd. Its all the same parts except the motherboard is different and all the parts are welded or glued in.

A hackintosh is a hobby project, not a reliable daily machine, especially if you are looking at it for professional work.

 

[ChrisM]

Safetly led to several of the increases (as I am sure you know). Each incident major and minor led to more failsafes, ready checks, etc that drove the "human rated" per pound cost up. Heavy lift manned system was a great idea on paper but financially in reality just not feasible. It will be decrease my love for the program though as it is done and a lesson learned. I still never understood why that many launches per year were thought to be needed (WAY before my time when it began) for a low orbit system. That is why it is bogus that Constellation was canned. A two part lift system, one for heavy and one for man, was such a great process. I guess its canning is a result of egos and preventing one from having a legacy.

I'm definitely with you on the two part lift system idea. But, at this point I've drawn the conclusion that NASA and the major aerospace firms are too politically entrenched and compromised for any sort of economies of scale to come from their efforts. SLS is going to be another overpriced boondoggle.

At this point I want NASA funding research into exotic propulsion and deep space systems and developing science and exploratory missions. Leave launch to the private sector and pay as they go.

Anyway, I've drifted this thread enough. So....uh, how about tickets on a smartphone? Sounds like a great idea.

 

[LithiumBill]

 

[LithiumBill]

A hackintosh is a hobby project, not a reliable daily machine, especially if you are looking at it for professional work.

<------ is staring at his 8 year old MAC G5 that has never once crashed and has outlasted every PC his wife has ever owned...and has been passed on to his 7 year old daughter who has yet to break it.

(dang it, i broke my own ON TOPIC image...)

 

[ScoutN]

Anyway, I've drifted this thread enough. So....uh, how about tickets on a smartphone? Sounds like a great idea.

Check out the KSC thread on the Everything Else area. Good convo going on it!

 

[Hoop Raeb]

If anything "lag" as you call it which is silly because latency refers to something completely different but I digress. Android 4.1 is very smooth and is just as fast as iOS.

I can't speak towards 4.1 but I have the Droid Maxx running 4.0.4 and it's nowhere as good as iOS 5. The lag is there.

The funny thing about Andoid users is that everyone says they buy it because they want to customize it but I bet 95% of people with Android phones never touch them even tho they can. Probably about the same amount of people that want to customize their iPhone so they jailbreak it.

And when I do want to customize it to have a popup when I get a new txt message or phone call (ala iPhone notifications), there isn't an option for it. Yes, I know you can pull down the notification center but who thinks of doing that everytime you get in your phone?

 

[Goofnut1980]

It could work at DL. When we went in May, they scan barcodes for the tickets. But the parks would have to support it... Just wondering what would make cheap people (scammers) not attempt to "sell" or "use" other peoples AP's... We know how one person ruins it for others.

 

[bhg469]

I can't speak towards 4.1 but I have the Droid Maxx running 4.0.4 and it's nowhere as good as iOS 5. The lag is there.

The funny thing about Andoid users is that everyone says they buy it because they want to customize it but I bet 95% of people with Android phones never touch them even tho they can. Probably about the same amount of people that want to customize their iPhone so they jailbreak it.

And when I do want to customize it to have a popup when I get a new txt message or phone call (ala iPhone notifications), there isn't an option for it. Yes, I know you can pull down the notification center but who thinks of doing that everytime you get in your phone?

The reason I said 4.1 is because it is the release to contain all the speed fixes anyone could want. It is the os to have.

As far as ticketing on a phone I'm against it on any phone since it is more of a cute feature and less than practical. I do this for a living ticketing pays my bills. Using a phone for a ticketed event is more time consuming and saves very little paper if that's the angle.

 

[njDizFan]

I'm sorry to intervene on this topic with such limitied technological backround.

but can someone here please inform me what the average person is missing out on by purchasing an iphone5. what does the competition have in their phones that is so much better?

I am a happy iphone user but if someone makes a really clear case that I am missing out on all sorts of advances not availble in the iphone I would consider switching.

So please speak clearly and slowly...what am I missing out on exactly?

 

[bhg469]

I'm sorry to intervene on this topic with such limitied technological backround.

but can someone here please inform me what the average person is missing out on by purchasing an iphone5. what does the competition have in their phones that is so much better?

I am a happy iphone user but if someone makes a really clear case that I am missing out on all sorts of advances not availble in the iphone I would consider switching.

So please speak clearly and slowly...what am I missing out on exactly?

If you are happy with your iphone you are missing out on nothing. Android is an ipen platform which means simply any phone manufacturer can build an android phone. It also means that if there is an application you want you can install it directly from a website rather than through the app store.

If I were to suggest a phone to someone who is not tech savvy or not sure I would say iphone every day of the week because it is very simple. The limitations like nfc or installing ROMs will never mean a thing to you.

They are great devices and they used to be the best by a long shot but the Galaxy s 3, HTX one X, and Galaxy nexus are all very good phones that in many ways are better than the unreleased iphone with the exception of screen resolution.

 

[wdw71fan]

If you are happy with your iphone you are missing out on nothing. Android is an ipen platform which means simply any phone manufacturer can build an android phone. It also means that if there is an application you want you can install it directly from a website rather than through the app store.

It also means it is inherently unstable and different to write software for that will work on a variety of hardware devices equally.

- Just my opinion, but I've been in software development for nearly 20 years.. Working on multiple platforms, and multiple development environments.

but this is all beside the point of the thread, isn't it?

 

[njDizFan]

If you are happy with your iphone you are missing out on nothing. Android is an ipen platform which means simply any phone manufacturer can build an android phone. It also means that if there is an application you want you can install it directly from a website rather than through the app store.

If I were to suggest a phone to someone who is not tech savvy or not sure I would say iphone every day of the week because it is very simple. The limitations like nfc or installing ROMs will never mean a thing to you.

They are great devices and they used to be the best by a long shot but the Galaxy s 3, HTX one X, and Galaxy nexus are all very good phones that in many ways are better than the unreleased iphone with the exception of screen resolution.

Thanks but just to clarify, I dont want to stay with the iphone just because I don't know what I'm missing. Can you give me examples of some of the added benefits of those other phones. Like what apps would I have in the andoid market that I would find useful? What is the upgraded technology that I am missing out on?

 

[wdwmagic]

They are great devices and they used to be the best by a long shot but the Galaxy s 3, HTX one X, and Galaxy nexus are all very good phones that in many ways are better than the unreleased iphone with the exception of screen resolution.

and build quality, and weight, and size, and processor speed, support, and future upgradability.

 

[wdwmagic]

Thanks but just to clarify, I dont want to stay with the iphone just because I don't know what I'm missing. Can you give me examples of some of the added benefits of those other phones. Like what apps would I have in the andoid market that I would find useful? What is the upgraded technology that I am missing out on?

I really think the iPhone/Android world almost boils down to this.

If you are the kind of person who likes to build PCs, mess around with technology etc as a hobby, then you will like a lot of what Android has to offer. So much of the Android stuff is not really finished, it is very much a work in progress. You can forget upgrades, most devices end up staying on the version of the software that it ships with, unless you want to do all kinds of hacking to try and cobble together a new version from the Internet. I've got a couple of Android devices that were basically abandoned by Samsung as soon as they were released. They are dead in the water. This seems to be fairly typical for Android. Some people that kind of thing.

If you want something that is a complete working solution out of the box, and is something that just works, you will like the iPhone. But be aware that you can't really hack around with it, you really need to use it the way that Apple intended. You can also be assured that you will continue to get updates. The 4 year old 3GS continues to receive software updates, and will receive a version of iOS6 that is released this week.

 

[flynnibus]

I just do not see it as the hype that is around it when a much better version will be released. It is ironic that most items you listed as plusses are items that other porducts already have. Galaxy S has expandable memory (which I think broPhones need), MUCH better battery for marginal weight increase, and better resolution. All those could have been beaten by crApple.

How many Verizon Droid line phones have come out since Apple iPhone 4 ? The Incredible, Droid X, Droid 2, Droid Bionic, Droid Razor, Droid Razor Maxx, Droid 4, and more...

It's funny how people use the refresh cycle in mobile phones and computers to argue why Apple is 'holding back' or 'wait till the next one' - and turn a blind eye to the rest of the market. Like a computer, every phone decision is a matter of the market at that point in time, and it's a guarantee that within 6-8m there will be some new phone from someone that will best the old phone. The Galaxy SIII is a great looking device. It's also the 4rd phone in the series in 2 years. So no way for anyone to remain on the leading edge even in a Galaxy phone.

The iPhone cycle was pretty strong in the last three iterations. Not only that, but they were all solid devices in their own right.. while Android was still rapidly trying to get the polish and industrial design that Apple already had. Every release claims like it will be the one.. gingerbread.. honeycomb.. ICS.. jelly bean. Yet they have failed to universally win the market.. even in the tech sector itself. It's not about blind lemmings running the market.. even with hot products like Nexus 7, Nexus S, Galaxy SII and SIII.. Apple was still the benchmark to beat, even without the data sheet comparisons.

Apple didn't need to jump on 4G early.. there are no points for being first, especially if its going to ultimately lead to an inferior experience. How many of those first gen 4G devices are still being heralded as better than the current iPhone5?

And you really should stop with the name replacement. Making the association once is one thing.. to do it all the time really is juvenile and only hurts your credibility and takes away from anything you are trying to say.

 

[flynnibus]

but can someone here please inform me what the average person is missing out on by purchasing an iphone5. what does the competition have in their phones that is so much better?

three main things
- bigger screens (if you are willing to accept the bigger form factor)
- extendable storage
- universal plugs instead of apple proprietary

Those are the major things that aren't gonna change as the products evolve their software and aren't as objective as the software.

The only one I really knock Apple for is their resistance to add extendable storage, and it must be simply to protect overall margins by forcing a percentage of the market to buy the more expensive phones.. rather than simply buy SD media which Apple gets no cut of.

 

[njDizFan]

three main things
- bigger screens (if you are willing to accept the bigger form factor)
- extendable storage
- universal plugs instead of apple proprietary

Those are the major things that aren't gonna change as the products evolve their software and aren't as objective as the software.

The only one I really knock Apple for is their resistance to add extendable storage, and it must be simply to protect overall margins by forcing a percentage of the market to buy the more expensive phones.. rather than simply buy SD media which Apple gets no cut of.

Thanks(flynnibus and Steve) that breaks it down pretty well..If anyone else has anything else to add?

So I guess at my stage in life the iphone seems to work just fine. I am not planning on jailbreaking and/or messing with the existing OS. I am fine with the screensize( I don't do any real streaming video).

I guess it would be nice for extendable storage( I filled up my 16G with pictures and video pretty fast). And as long as the propietary plugs are a reasonable price I can tolerate the Apple monopoly.