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Lightning Lane Premier Pass

Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
HauntedPirate said:
LLPP = you get one ride on each ride/attraction in a park. I guess that could be considered "useful" if you just want to attempt to do each ride in a park once. But you still are paying a rather high price to be standing with every other LL purchaser who is in line whenever you walk in (pointed comment at the Rise's and Slinky's and 7DMT's and Tron's). 🤷‍♂️
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The single use is what really makes this a far less attractive product than up the road.

The price is more in line with the top tier/unlimited fee…and that is of limited use and appeal.
 
HauntedPirate

HauntedPirate

Park nostalgist
Premium Member
Dranth said:
Short selling it a bit there by leaving out the best feature, you don't have to schedule or plan for rides in anyway shape or form.

There is a below zero chance I will ever pay for it, but I can see how it would be appealing to people who can afford it, don't go often, and hate lines.
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I worded it poorly, the “whenever you walk in” part. You don’t have to schedule but you’re also then standing in line with everyone else who did at that particular time.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Splash4eva said:
Can you see them adding another tier to this? Ie unlimited rides for X amount?
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They already have it…it’s the jockeys and it will run you $5,000

We need to go back to square one (1999) and understand what has happened:
They stopped adding capacity as crowds rose (as they have with travel since VJ Day…) and began to create “demand” with shortages. 100% intentional. It’s why they do rethemes over adds…primarily.

They don’t have the throughput/seat capacity to do elaborate additional “tiers”…it would collapse and the line at guest services would stretch across the lagoon (it’s embarrassing how those occurrences have grown already)

It’s numbers…and the numbers don’t work.

Now celebrate the genius who is so proud of this that he keeps doing it…
 
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DisneyCane

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Purduevian said:
I mean... it isn't crowded today... but LLPP isn't sold out for today. It'll be interesting to see how the lines look in a week.

Disney is currently balancing a few things:
  • Sell as many LLPP as possible
  • Give people enough perceived value from LLPP, that they recommend it to people/use it again
  • For people that don't buy LLPP, sell as many LLMP/LLSP as possible
  • Give people enough perceived value from LLMP/LLSP, that they recommend it to people/use it again
  • For people that don't buy any LL, give them enough perceived value that they recommend people come to WDW or return themselves
  • Keep everyone happy enough to continue to buy Merch
This has got to be tough to do on a ride like Pan with it's high demand and horrible capacity.
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They need to find a way to do to Pan what they did to Dumbo and build a clone adjacent to it. I know the space doesn't exist but the capacity is terrible.

I know they could design a new track that can support 2 row ride vehicles or something but it would change the experience to be in the back row.

Regarding LLPP, if I wasn't a passholder that has been to the parks probably 200 times, the only way I would even consider buying it is if there was some perk attached besides just reduced waits. MAYBE it would be worth it if you could choose where you want to sit on a ride or something like that and include free fountain drinks and snacks. Just to have the same experience you have without it and pay a ridiculous amount to reduce wait time is not remotely worth it to me.
 
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Splash4eva

Well-Known Member
Sirwalterraleigh said:
They already have it…it’s the jockeys and it will run you $5,000

We need to go back to square one (1999) and understand what has happened:
They stopped adding capacity as crowds rose (as they have with travel since VJ Day…) and began to create “demand” with shortages. 100% intentional. It’s why they do rethemes over adds…primarily.

They don’t have the throughput/seat capacity to do elaborate additional “tiers”…it would collapse and the line at guest services would stretch across the lagoon (it’s embarrassing how those occurrences have grown already)

It’s numbers…and the numbers don’t work.

Now celebrate the genius who is so proud of this that he keeps doing it…
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Its always been a capacity issue and that will never change add in less entertainment and less hours and people not as willing to just stroll its a recipe for disaster. The sad thing is they meaning Bob feel they need to intentionally do this to force people to pay when sadly. People imo will always pay for convenience especially the high income ones which seems to be their target. People coming for a once in a lifetime trip or someone not coming often are gonna pay.
 
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DisneyCane

Well-Known Member
Instead of all the LL stuff, I'd rather that each park has a once weekly, very expensive after hours event that has capacity limited so that the worst wait time is 15 minutes and most things are walk on. Then just go back to all standby during normal hours.

People who want to pay for low waits can spend $300 per person or something for a 7 to midnight event.
 
Chi84

Chi84

Premium Member
DisneyCane said:
Instead of all the LL stuff, I'd rather that each park has a once weekly, very expensive after hours event that has capacity limited so that the worst wait time is 15 minutes and most things are walk on. Then just go back to all standby during normal hours.

People who want to pay for low waits can spend $300 per person or something for a 7 to midnight event.
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That would be great for adults without kids.

ETA: Kids going to Disney almost seems like an afterthought on this site.
 
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Purduevian

Purduevian

Well-Known Member
Not that I have remotely the money for this... but are people able to buy LLPP for multiple parks? I could see some oil tycoon hitting AK in the morning and DHS or EPCOT at night.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
DisneyCane said:
Instead of all the LL stuff, I'd rather that each park has a once weekly, very expensive after hours event that has capacity limited so that the worst wait time is 15 minutes and most things are walk on. Then just go back to all standby during normal hours.

People who want to pay for low waits can spend $300 per person or something for a 7 to midnight event.
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Not the worst idea…

Call it “luxury night…with chicken tenders”

🤔
 
Purduevian

Purduevian

Well-Known Member
DisneyCane said:
Instead of all the LL stuff, I'd rather that each park has a once weekly, very expensive after hours event that has capacity limited so that the worst wait time is 15 minutes and most things are walk on. Then just go back to all standby during normal hours.

People who want to pay for low waits can spend $300 per person or something for a 7 to midnight event.
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I like the idea... but Disney would probably hate the idea.

LLPP is being sold for a similar price and has pretty minimal costs associated with it (just some extra IT/server time).

If they offered these premium after hours events, they would probably eat into their almost pure profit LLPP sales and shifting that to a high operating cost event.
 
nickys

nickys

Premium Member
DisneyCane said:
Instead of all the LL stuff, I'd rather that each park has a once weekly, very expensive after hours event that has capacity limited so that the worst wait time is 15 minutes and most things are walk on. Then just go back to all standby during normal hours.

People who want to pay for low waits can spend $300 per person or something for a 7 to midnight event.
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That’s cheaper than the current option, so Disney lose out that way.

Plus they lose all revenue from sales of MultiPass and SinglePass.

Why would they even consider it?
 
wedenterprises

wedenterprises

Well-Known Member
bmr1591

bmr1591

Well-Known Member
DisneyCane said:
Instead of all the LL stuff, I'd rather that each park has a once weekly, very expensive after hours event that has capacity limited so that the worst wait time is 15 minutes and most things are walk on. Then just go back to all standby during normal hours.

People who want to pay for low waits can spend $300 per person or something for a 7 to midnight event.
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So LLMP can go for close to $50 per person some days during the busiest seasons. Let's assume during those busy seasons that 50,000 people enter the park (maybe more... I'm not sure). Of those 50,000, 30,000 buy LLMP because of how busy it will be. That's $1.5 million in LLMP for that day for MK alone. On said busy week, that's $10.5 million dollars over the course of the week for MK. Now, if they were to do your suggestion, they would need 35,000 people to come to that after hour event at $300 per person to break even. I don't see them doing that. That also would be a very busy after hours event and would definitely not hit your goal of 15 minute wait times.

Also, they already do both. They have after hours events where the wait times are minimal. For all the complaints about how busy parties are, most wait times are minimal at them as well. Why would they cut off one when they can simply do both?
 
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Splash4eva

Well-Known Member
DisneyCane said:
Instead of all the LL stuff, I'd rather that each park has a once weekly, very expensive after hours event that has capacity limited so that the worst wait time is 15 minutes and most things are walk on. Then just go back to all standby during normal hours.

People who want to pay for low waits can spend $300 per person or something for a 7 to midnight event.
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Problem with that is now you have even shorter hours for regular paying guests…. Just look at how the MK is on party nights.

In theory i see your point but imagine the outrage you will see here and on social media if they did this. The AH events to me are a nice compromise. Im actually shocked there are not more of them.
 
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Splash4eva

Well-Known Member
Im not saying people are doing this but for say Epcot & AK. You can but a PH for tomorrow and both parks Premier LL and it costs less than 300 …. Its not a terrible trade off for someone with limited time or someone who doesnt mind “rushing” around a little but and honestly go to AK when it opens then head to EC after you are done which probably will be by 1 the latest imo. Its not awful at all now grantef MK & HS is different as they are higher priced but for an extra 300 to bang both of those parks out if you want to ride everything and have no wait.. to me that is a steal… factor in the money saved on food etc on having 1 less park day
 

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