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News Guest dies, found unresponsive after riding Stardust Racers

disneylandtour

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I don't think that scenario is super likely but I could see it if the piece of metal was attached to his specific car.
These specific trains are pretty pared back. I don't think there is much to come loose near the seating area. But if that happened, people at the load/unload station would've seen that and it almost surely would've been reported by now. Most of this happened in areas where there were other guests.
 

DisneyHead123

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These specific trains are pretty pared back. I don't think there is much to come loose near the seating area. But if that happened, people at the load/unload station would've seen that and it almost surely would've been reported by now. Most of this happened in areas where there were other guests.

Yeah, I saw an initial reports of a large piece of metal but entirely possible that was just a TikToker looking for views, something used by the rescue crew, etc. Not ruling it out but I think it's based entirely on one person's report at this point.
 

lazyboy97o

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I would like to know, in your opinion, how is it due to a preexisting medical condition/guests fault that multiple blunt force trauma injuries are present on a rollercoaster? Just in your mind, how did that happen without it being the coaster/operators fault other than them getting out of their seat somehow, not falling but hitting their head on something.
Why would I offer an opinion I don’t hold?
 

AidenRodriguez731

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My post was in response to the previous post about having restraints setup in case people pass out. They mentioned a drunk person.
Other coasters would have this happen to if some one passed out

My response is saying we might as well go back and have over the shoulder restraints, seatbelts and lap bars for every coaster
Would they? This is the first time I've heard of this as of now and this coaster has only been open for 1/2 a year??
 

TrainsOfDisney

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That is understood. The vest part that touches your upper body is a cosmetic option offered by the manufacturer. It is not the restraint.
It is not “cosmetic” it definitely helps keep you in your seat safely and avoid hitting your head on the shoulder harness.
That's the restraints from Velocicoaster.
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Those aren’t even remotely similar to the restraints in Paris.
 

lazyboy97o

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So then what is your opinion? If it's not the rides fault, not a medical condition, and not due to rider error?
My opinion is that there is nowhere near enough information available to have an informed point of view and that there is no benefit to speculation.

It is not “cosmetic” it definitely helps keep you in your seat safely and avoid hitting your head on the shoulder harness.
This is why I called them a visual placebo. They’re not designed to hold a person’s weight.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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This is why I called them a visual placebo. They’re not designed to hold a person’s weight.
A placebo does nothing. These keep your body in the proper position during the attraction. Which is why i keep saying they could have possibly prevented this tragedy.

I never said they hold the weight - obviously the shoulder harness does that.
 

lazyboy97o

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A placebo does nothing. These keep your body in the proper position during the attraction. Which is why i keep saying they could have possibly prevented this tragedy.

I never said they hold the weight - obviously the shoulder harness does that.
It’s not a shoulder harness, it’s a lap bar. I am telling you how they were designed. They are purely optional which would not be the case if their purpose was safety.
 

lazyboy97o

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Are you saying “lap bar” is a catch all word that covers all restraints?
No, I’m saying the point at which the standard Vekoma restraint restrains the rider on rides such as Hyperspace Mountain at Disneyland Paris is at the lap. It can more specifically be called an over-the-should lap bar. The bars over the shoulder are well above and clear of the rider and would do mother to keep the rider restrained. Over-the-shoulder restraints are a different type of restraint that restrain the rider at the shoulder and seen on rides like Rock ‘n’ Roller Coaster.
 
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mkt

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While peeking at the gofundme, I noticed this:

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The top donor is Moe DeWitt - is it the same Moe DeWitt who is a personal injury attorney in Orlando that advertises?
 

disneylandtour

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No, I’m saying the point at which the standard Vekoma restraint restrains the rider on rides such as Hyperspace Mountain at Disneyland Paris is at the lap. It can more specifically be called an over-the-should lap bar. The bars over the shoulder are well above and clear of the rider and would do mother to keep the rider restrained. Over-the-shoulder restraints are a different type of restraint that restrain the rider at the shoulder and seen on rides like Rock ‘n’ Roller Coaster.
On this Mack coaster, the restraint has a far larger touch point area than a simple lap bar. It's mid-to-lower torso, lap, and upper thighs. It's significantly different than Rock n Rollercoaster and Hyperspace Mountain--both of which are arranged with touch points to keep the upper body pinned to the car. Stardust has lower restraint areas to triangulate and pin lower torso, lap, and upper legs. Go look at some photos of the specific restraint point areas on these.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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This style of restraint has been the standard for about 15 years now.

I think the fact that no parks have closed their coasters that use this restraint system speaks volumes.

If the parks, or ride manufacturer, worried this was a design flaw I think we’d have seen dozens of coasters worldwide temporarily shut down already, I don’t think anyone would risk keeping their rides running if the industry felt the restraints weren’t absolutely safe.

None of us know what happened but I feel pretty confidant saying the industry most feel it was a freak accident, or a flaw specifically related to this one coaster, or we’d see far more precautions than we’re seeing.
 

Tom Morrow

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Friends of mine who work at Epic have noted that everyone at the park is taking the accident quite hard. Definitely not just the team at the attraction itself.

Understandably. What happened to the man is tragic, and it's a pretty big blight on what should have been a joyous and celebratory first few months of a brand new park. Epic already had a pretty rough summer even before this.
 

mergatroid

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Does anyone know whether the manual release of the 'harness' requires somebody to remove or open part of the seat?

The reason I ask is a witness statement says "A piece of metal from the back of the seat was detached. I don't know if an employee detached it to to do the emergency seat release but it was detached when we walked by"
 

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