MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[TheMaxRebo]

I agree, all we can do is wait and see.

My hope is there are not excessive scope cuts to stay within budget.

I definitely agree and hope the same ... I would think they know of any project that needs the full scope, even if it means increasing the budget, is this one - just with how visible it will be they really need to get it as right as they can - but we shall see

 

[Gusey]

For those that said Cars isn't popular anymore, someone should let the Test Track store know

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ]

For those that said Cars isn't popular anymore, someone should let the Test Track store know

Gotta see what sells. Test the waters.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

I definitely agree and hope the same ... I would think they know of any project that needs the full scope, even if it means increasing the budget, is this one - just with how visible it will be they really need to get it as right as they can - but we shall see

We were fed that company line pablum with Tiana…and look how THAT turned out.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

We were fed that company line pablum with Tiana…and look how THAT turned out.

We were fed it way back at new fantasyland!!!!

But this time will be different!

 

[Ayla]

Just to add, there is/was(?) a kids play spot between Tiana’s and the Railroad Station there in Frontierland.
Also, I feel the last day wasn’t as crowded for the Rivers of America closings because many people had already said their goodbyes a month earlier when they came to do the same for Muppets.

It was ripped out with Splash. Long gone.

 

[Stupido]

It was ripped out with Splash. Long gone.

Was also comically tiny, and seemed like it belonged in a backyard.

 

[celluloid]

The lack of a theme that people care about due to the decline?

The difficulty in doing major renovations too?

The fact that people don't want to go on it and won't spend that much time to do so?

No, those aren't due to the decline. It's due to it being an island in the middle of a theme park, surrounded by a river in the middle of a land with very few popular IPs

There was once more to do and more ways to get there and back.

 

[aladdin2007]

Here’s a look at construction walls up along the Haunted Mansion queue from today:

Its going to be terribly hot through there now fans or no fans

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

surprised they didn’t do a little light theming for the mansion walls unless they are pretty temporary?

 

[ᗩLᘿᑕ ֊ᗩζᗩᗰ]

Sign reads: "Patriotism Swells in the Heart of the American Bear" With a silhouette of Fozzie Bear.

 

[Tha Realest]

Here's the thing: that was built over 50 years ago now. The parks needs were very different than what they are now.

Then next time be more precise and intentional with your language. Framing it as “taking” 14 acres of existing park space is a very strange argument to make, considering things have existed there from the park’s outset.

Like, I wouldn’t walk around my neighborhood and grumble at all the homes owned by the original owners and complain to other neighbors they “take 14 house plots” and are building distressed 1940’s Cape Cods.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

Then next time be more precise and intentional with your language. Framing it as “taking” 14 acres of existing park space is a very strange argument to make, considering things have existed there from the park’s outset.

Like, I wouldn’t walk around my neighborhood and grumble at all the homes owned by the original owners and complain to other neighbors they “take 14 house plots” and are building distressed 1940’s Cape Cods.

On a more serious note, I would be grumbling at a giant mostly abandoned mall that like 10 people even still go to that sits in "14 house plots" if I know that there's a housing crisis. Just because it "came first" and was "the original". Like sure? But that's a plot of land that could be used, square in city limits and easy to get to. Do we really need to preserve it because 10 people go to it and it's original? It's a city. It needs the space.

 

[celluloid]

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On a more serious note, I would be grumbling at a giant mostly abandoned mall that like 10 people even still go to that sits in "14 house plots" if I know that there's a housing crisis. Just because it "came first" and was "the original". Like sure? But that's a plot of land that could be used, square in city limits and easy to get to. Do we really need to preserve it because 10 people go to it and it's original? It's a city. It needs the space.

You just turned it to some odd apples to oranges.

MK is not in a housing( or land...or even venue space) crisis.
People were with you that they can and should make things more attractive when numbers are low.

Your stance does not even address the wonky out of theme or tone choices, which are not neccessary to make something attractive. It can still be well coordinated Tom Sawyer or not. CGI anthropomorphic cars were not the only answer. Themed meet and greet interiors decades aside, Walt nor did the company ever put any sort of Mickey's or Andy's house on Mainstreet USA because that would draw people to lesser traffic corners. The degrees they are declining.
Somehow you want to stand on this hill that this was the only solution.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

You just turned it to some odd apples to oranges.

MK is not in a housing( or land...or even venue space) crisis.
People were with you that they can and should make things more attractive when numbers are low.

Your stance does not even address the wonky out of theme or tone choices, which are not neccessary to make something attractive. It can still be well coordinated Tom Sawyer or not. CGI anthropomorphic cars were not the only answer. Echibiys or meet and greeys in theme rece t decades aside, Walt nor did the company ever put any sort of Mickey's or Andy's house on Mainstreet USA because that would draw people to lesser traffic corners. The degrees they are declining.
Somehow you want to stand on this hill that this was the only solution.

Wait hold on, I didn't turn it into apples to oranges, I was replying to the original post that used a similar comparison and corrected it with how I see the situation instead of the fairly inaccurate way presented.

MK is in a capacity crisis which I allouded to with mentioning that it was "square in the city limits AND easy to get to." That is inherently true of this piece of land and not necessarily true about some of the current expansion plots.

I apologize but I didn't pick up what you meant with "Echibiys or meet and greeys in theme rece t decades aside" But I would absolutely say that meet and greets help spread out people if only for a moment, even in lesser utilized space like Future World's Moana meet and greet in Epcot, Mirabel in the fantasy garden area, and some of the characters around Main Street or else why is there so many people who are on main street throughout the day. Only so much shopping and eating Casey's Corner you can do. Small activities that take up time are 100% spread out to help with guest flow.

I never said that this was the only solution? It's just a solution I personally like. But I do think getting rid of the ROA is 100% inevitable. You can brag about the blessing of space etc etc all you want. The problem is getting people who are already tired to walk to certain areas. Imagine if Rafiki's Planet Watch had only a walkway instead of a train, no one would be going to it period. I like to think that as of right now, Frontierland's theme was very slightly altered to echo the developing nation of the US, where the years continuously change as we keep moving Eastward.

That's how I see it, at least.

 

[lazyboy97o]

MK is in a capacity crisis

Then inducing more demand is a very, very, very bad idea.

 

[celluloid]

I like to think that as of right now, Frontierland's theme was very slightly altered to echo the developing nation of the US, where the years continuously change as we keep moving Eastward.

That's how I see it, at least.

There is nothing objective with this language. Just waus of saying you like this new attraction idea.
When did the country develop into a place without humans?

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

The assumption that this will help capacity is interesting. One attraction on a giant piece of land, maybe two…and all of it housed within the park. And people think RoA and TSI is space wasted.

....yes because it is much more space wasted. They said they will be playing around with elevation which you can see in the concept art. TSI + ROA as a whole can fit maybe 900 (2 circuits of 450 people each boat for Riverboat which is VERY generous) and the Island which let's just say a raft leaves every 5 minutes of 50 people to be SUPER generous, goes MAYBE 600 an hour, at absolute best. For 12-14 acres of space. that is ABYSMAL. That is less than Jungle Cruise, Space Mountain, Haunted Mansion, Pirates, Little Mermaid, Small World, Seven Dwarves (realistically), Soaring, Mission Space, JII, Living with the Land, Nemo, Spaceship Earth, RNRC, ToT, TSMM, Star Tours, Smugglers Run, MMRR, Everest, Kali, Dinosaur, TTBAB, FOP. All of those rides do MUCH better than TSI/ROA with 1/20 of the space each.

The proposed idea would be to take the 14 total acres, divide between 2 lands with 2 attractions each, MINIMUM.

Comparison:
Radiator Springs (1500 per hour, by itself beats TSI + riverboat)
Mator's (similar flat ride theorized 600 per hour)

Villian's Coaster
Everest/SDD (1620 or 1296, we know its a coaster but it's hard to find an exact match so I would go Everest or SDD)
Pirates-like Boat Ride (currently speculated, could be a simple flat ride but I doubt it so I'm going to use a more medium capacity boat ride, 2340)

So this same plot of land is at a lower estimate, supposed to support 5,736 people per hour ON JUST ATTRACTIONS, not even talking about dining or shops. The higher estimate is 6,060 people per hour, still not counting the shops or dining or extra walkable areas.

That is an increase of roughly 282.4% in capacity for this land and you're trying to claim it would be a waste of space? Even half of that would be a massive improvement.

 

[AidenRodriguez731]

There is nothing objective with this language. Just waus of saying you like this new attraction idea.
When did the country develop into a place without humans?

It isn't a place without humans? We are there. I like to imagine its a mash of our world with their world. Same thing of when did talking rabbits and frogs start inhabiting mountains or bears start playing shows in old time opera houses. It's a fantasy.

 

[celluloid]

....yes because it is much more space wasted. They said they will be playing around with elevation which you can see in the concept art. TSI + ROA as a whole can fit maybe 900 (2 circuits of 450 people each boat for Riverboat which is VERY generous) and the Island which let's just say a raft leaves every 5 minutes of 50 people to be SUPER generous, goes MAYBE 600 an hour, at absolute best. For 12-14 acres of space. that is ABYSMAL. That is less than Jungle Cruise, Space Mountain, Haunted Mansion, Pirates, Little Mermaid, Small World, Seven Dwarves (realistically), Soaring, Mission Space, JII, Living with the Land, Nemo, Spaceship Earth, RNRC, ToT, TSMM, Star Tours, Smugglers Run, MMRR, Everest, Kali, Dinosaur, TTBAB, FOP. All of those rides do MUCH better than TSI/ROA with 1/20 of the space each.

The proposed idea would be to take the 14 total acres, divide between 2 lands with 2 attractions each, MINIMUM.

Comparison:
Radiator Springs (1500 per hour, by itself beats TSI + riverboat)
Mator's (similar flat ride theorized 600 per hour)

Villian's Coaster
Everest/SDD (1620 or 1296, we know its a coaster but it's hard to find an exact match so I would go Everest or SDD)
Pirates-like Boat Ride (currently speculated, could be a simple flat ride but I doubt it so I'm going to use a more medium capacity boat ride, 2340)

So this same plot of land is at a lower estimate, supposed to support 5,736 people per hour ON JUST ATTRACTIONS, not even talking about dining or shops. The higher estimate is 6,060 people per hour, still not counting the shops or dining or extra walkable areas.

That is an increase of roughly 282.4% in capacity for this land and you're trying to claim it would be a waste of space? Even half of that would be a massive improvement.

The fatal flaw of this argument is that real estate must equal throughput evenly in every land.