But at the same time, you keep advocating for keeping rides and attractions in the park operating, and maintained, when guests don't want to ride them and don't want to pay for them. What's the point of keeping an attraction that only a small group of fans want?
I'm saying it will make more money, because people will genuinely like it more than what is there now was there before.
If historic preservation is what drives your enjoyment of theme parks, then yeah, just go to Disneyland.
As far as preserving history, they did just spend money to re-do the Country Bears. Not sure if that was a wise use of money, but here we are.
If they decided to put Cars somewhere else, they would still need to close the river and island. Isn't it better that it's being replaced rather than just left to rot?
I’m advocating for it because even if it’s not the most popular attraction, it still has a place in the park. Not every square inch of the park needs to be taken up by an attraction. Some areas could be used more for theming. Disney has been raising prices for years and I sincerely doubt all of those price increases are because of maintenance needed for RoA; or that guests walk by and think that they’re paying for that. Not every square inch of the park needs to be monetized by LLs. And they DO have expansion areas that could have allowed them to keep the river and still gotten cars and villains. This feels like the easier approach and a cop out. Stitch’s Great Escape is just sitting there, why don’t they replace that? Guests are paying for that too but not using it? At least the river offers something visually appealing, unlike an empty building.
Fans would also like more attractions instead of World Showcase Lagoon. And it’ll make more money. Doesn’t that mean they should do it? You still haven’t provided a reason for how Cars fits thematically into Frontierland, just that it makes financial sense. I guess it doesn’t matter as long as it makes money and “fans like it more?” Country Bears is hardly them going out of their way to preserve history, as you previously claimed.
I grew up going to Disney World, not Disneyland. So why should I have to go there? WDW doesn’t deserve to have its own history preserved but instead should be defaced for IPs that don’t belong? Everyone keeps saying they hope this area looms like Grizzly Peak. Why don’t they just go to Disneyland if that’s what they want to see? There should be a balance between preserving pieces of history while also offering new experiences. My enjoyment of the parks isn’t driven by history, but there is something comforting about enjoying attractions and experiences that I grew up enjoying.
They would not have needed to close the river.
They would have had to do some pretty significant infrastructure change to enable sufficient access.
I agree they didn't have to close the entire river but they must have felt this was the best way to do it based on a lot of information (including a lot we don't have access to) and, yes, to generate more income. But it is still part of the same project
No way they would do *just* Piston Peak
But gutting RoA and TSI isn’t a significant infrastructure change?
Just b/c they settled on this option doesn't mean it was clear cut of unanimous. But I don't think there was this evil vendetta to remove the river knowing it was a bad decision to do so - there were reasons for it
It’s been said it has been on the chopping block for a while, so it kind of does feel like a they wanted it done and didn’t care what they replaced it with so they settled on an unrelated IP.
Those spaces looked empty because people couldn't utilize them. By opening up space that couldn't be utilized for people to walk and rest in, people will be more spread out and the park will feel less crowded.
Yeah. And I’m not sure RoA and TSI isn’t large enough to make a significant impact in crowds, and if they leave too much space for guest walkways, that’s less space for the attraction. Plus, more attractions means MORE people will be visiting. What j think they should have done instead was add to the other parks or build a fifth gate to try to draw people away from MK.
Oh I like the idea too but this idea to replace it to become the walkway to villians is incredibly stupid. People cry about removing classic attractions but are trying to remove one of the quintessential most popular Disney attractions to become??? A walkway??? Are we being fr right now? To save a river that most people genuinely do not care about. I mean look at the last day hype for the ROA, Bugs life had a bigger crowd
But that actually is kind of true and what people seem to be saying? People have issued the rational that they had to do this to make it easier to get to Villains. Meaning they are gutting a central part of every castle park in part for a walk way to access something else.
There are pathways throughout the entire thing it seems with some open area around the queue entrance. I think it will be fine. I also like how I’ve heard the argument that cars is irrelevant and no one cares about it AND cars is going to overcrowd the park because of how popular it will be (but it’s still gonna be bad)
It’s hard to actually tell that. In the first one, it looks like the entire area, except for the side by HM is the ride. That fun map is hard to tell what’s ride and what’s walkway. And this has potential to end up like Pandora, where the queue extends out into the land itself adding the sense of feeling cramped instead of actually relieving it.
I always thought Frontierland felt cramped.
To me Adventureland feels cramped. If they’d get rid of magic carpets that might help.
Well, I hope you’re right. My concern with the design is that it seems rockwork heavy and to me, at this point, rockwork is just… fine. It’s not awful, it’s very forgiving and hard to mess up, but in 2025 it’s not going to knock your socks off either. Rockwork is a run of the mill feature to beautify lots of places, it’s not something that is going to be either dazzling in its own right or, alternately, result in some escapist placemaking. My worry is that this will continue the trend we’re seeing with the resorts, where they could be a Marriott or upscale mall in Anywhereville. My concern is also that the places in Orlando that do strike me as pretty amazing - Main Street, World Showcase, the Harry Potter lands at Universal, even Galaxies Edge despite a few quibbles I have there - involve more money than Disney is interested in spending. So you have iconic visuals from another era being knocked down to create “fine” visuals in 2025.
Again, we’ll see. If they pull off a really beautiful landscape then I think people will enjoy it.
I think it’s going to be bad, but the average park guest won’t care, which is why they’re doing it. I was walking around Pandora yesterday, probably spending more time actually taking it in than I have in a while (or ever) and if this area came close to this, it might be okay. The foliage is beautiful and there’s a few waterfalls and other water features and provide a sort of calming vibe. But there’s just no indicator from the concept art that it actually will look like that, and the ambience will be partly ruined by the sound of cars. Even though they claim this is meant to feel like a national park. And it won’t make up for what’s being lost.
