LittleBuford
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No. It’s a famously centre-right newspaper that almost always endorses the Conservative Party. All of this information is pretty easy to come by if you actually cared to know.
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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TP2000
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Okay. That's the phrasing we're using for alien life forms in TV and movies now?
E.T. immigrated to live in Elliot's country on earth, now commutes by bike.
ALF immigrated from Melmac to earth to live with the Tanner family and hilarity ensued weekly.
Kevin Spacey immigrated from K-PAX to live on earth and mess with snooty scientists.
The big creature from Cloverfield is an immigrant clumsily looking for a cheap apartment in New York. Doesn't want a roommate.
In War of the Worlds, the tripods immigrated to earth a million years ago and buried themselves, which means it's their planet instead of our planet because they got here before humans existed as a species. We weren't even Neandertals yet.
That new phrasing and nomenclature of referring to aliens from other planets as "immigrants" doesn't quite make sense to me. It seems to be shoehorning a current hot button issue of legal vs. illegal immigration into an entirely different concept of other planetary species from outer space landing on earth.
But if it sells more movie tickets to call Superman an "immigrant" now, I guess they have to do what they have to do. Seems dumb to me though, and I'm not sure audiences will go for it.
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TP2000
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I can only count on one hand the number of times I've been to London. I didn't really read local newspapers while there, I was doing dorky tourist stuff.
But doing an 8 second Google search just now confirms that The Times of London is pretty much analogous to The Wall Street Journal (traditionally pro-business, but increasingly liberal in its social commentary and lifestyle coverage, and definitely not huge fans of the current US administration). I think my first impression assessment of The Times of London is pretty accurate. It's not the Epoch Times, that's for sure.
(I don't actually read the Epoch Times, some people here will be saddened to learn. I think its kind of weird and a tad creepy.)
Agent H
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It’s not a hard and fast rule but technically he could be called an immigrant.
coffeefan
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In US legal context, immigrants are referred to as aliens, but the opposite is not right according to you?
It's also not something new that Gunn started; It's been said in comics.
Not surprising you don’t get the subtexts in the original comics.. … you were the person that said Barbie didn’t have feminist messaging
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Stitch already passed Minecraft globally…just a little behind domestically
It will almost definitely pass a billion and beat it domestically as well. People love that little blue monster
It will almost definitely pass a billion and beat it domestically as well. People love that little blue monster
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
So interested to see how Supe Does? Buzz is good and unlike some recent stinkers…the general audience WANTS to like Superman…the benefit of mainstream heroes/ characters
Disney Irish
Premium Member
The issue with this is that the article doesn't lay out the questions asked. So while the article presents it as Gunn is just stating this stuff without prompting, that is likely not the case. There is a question that was asked that prompted his answer, that is how interviews work.
Also Superman has ALWAYS been an immigrant, that isn't a new take. He wasn't born here, he is literally an alien in the truest sense of the word and immigrated here as an literal refuge. It is woven into the DNA of the character since day one.
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Disney Irish
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Well on that, Gunn is already tempering expectations on what defines "success" for this movie, saying that it doesn't need to hit $700M to be successful.
Box Office: James Gunn Says It’s “Nonsense” That ‘Superman’ Needs to Make $700 Million to Be Successful
The David Corenswet-led superhero pic opens around the globe later this week.
www.hollywoodreporter.com
Tha Realest
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It’s not incorrect necessarily to say that Superman is an “immigrant,” but that is a more contemporary spin on his origin story. Most view his story as more of an allegory of Jewish immigration, particularly the 1930’s.I'm baffled by this controversy, to be honest. It should be noted I'm not a comic book fan, and in my youth I only read Mad Magazine and occasionally Archie comic books. I never got into Superheroes or the whole comic book scene. Instead, as a 12 year old boy, I have distinct memories of reading and laughing at the one panel comics in my mom's subscription to The New Yorker, which is weird.
That said, I did see the original 1978 Superman in the theater and have seen it again once or twice at home, and have vague memories of seeing one of the sequels decades ago. But... Superman is now an immigrant??? When did that happen?
I thought Superman was an alien from the planet Krypton, and was not human but coincidentally looked human and even more coincidentally was very handsome with chiseled features and piercing blue eyes.And his parents on Krypton shot him into space before his planet was destroyed to save him, and after his space cradle crash landed in a Kansas corn field, he was taken in by a married couple who couldn't have their own children and was raised as an average American child in small town Kansas who just happened to have superpowers owing to him actually being Kryptonian rather than human.
Right? What am I missing there?
In this new Superman movie about to come out, is that no longer the story? He's now a human, and an immigrant from another country who sneaks into the US illegally and is found out, despite his superpowers? They changed his backstory???
Disney Irish
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Since when did the word immigrant mean solely a person of this planet?
The definition from Websters -
Both can apply to Superman -
He is a person (person doesn't have to mean of this planet) that took up permanent residence in the US after having migrated from another planet as a refuge.
He is also considered an animal in the truest sense, just as we all are, that is coming to an area where he was previously unknown.
So by all definitions Superman is an immigrant and has been since Joe Shuster and Jerry Siegel, two sons of Jewish immigrants, created him 87 years ago in 1938 in Action Comics #1. As I mentioned before, its part of the DNA of the character that has always been there.
Tha Realest
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What I particularly hated about that version* is that the whole point was that the germs native to earth defeated the aliens. If they were here the whole time, I felt that undercuts the point of the film.
*It has some good sequences. The first act is great. I hate the washed out cinematography Spielberg did with all those films starting in the early 2000’s.
Animaniac93-98
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What percentage of their final gross recent MCU movies made domestically in their opening weekends:
Ant Man 3: 49.5 %
GotG Volume 3: 32.8%
The Marvels: 54.7%
Deadpool 3: 33%
Captain America 4: 44%
Thunderbolts: 39%
If Fantastic Four opens to $125 million, that would be similar to GotG 3 ($118 million)
A good hold would have it finish close to or just above $400 million
If front loaded, it could fall short of $300 million
Ant Man 3: 49.5 %
GotG Volume 3: 32.8%
The Marvels: 54.7%
Deadpool 3: 33%
Captain America 4: 44%
Thunderbolts: 39%
If Fantastic Four opens to $125 million, that would be similar to GotG 3 ($118 million)
A good hold would have it finish close to or just above $400 million
If front loaded, it could fall short of $300 million
Animaniac93-98
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Still feeling somewhat confident that Stitch remains the #1 movie of the Summer
Not convinced yet F4 could get to something like $420 million, and very curious to see if it and Superman ultimately eat into each other's business being released so close together.
Not convinced yet F4 could get to something like $420 million, and very curious to see if it and Superman ultimately eat into each other's business being released so close together.
doctornick
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So... an immigrant? (Honestly not sure what you are trying to say here; were Jewish immigrants not immigrants?)
Superman has always had as one of his subtexts being the "immigrant coming to American" - working hard to fit in and being a good person, contributing to society, embodying the "American exceptionalism" concepts of rugged individualism while helping the community, etc. He's basically a model of what the country romanticized with all the folks coming via Ellis Island. I don't see the take as particularly surprising or controversial.
Tha Realest
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No. The character was uniquely drawn from a variety aspects of Jewish culture.
Is Superman Jewish? Here’s why it matters
Editor's Note: In an exciting development since this article was originally published, Jewish actor David Corenswet will play the role of Clark Kent in
unpacked.media
You can go ahead and diminish his Jewish roots; that’s your call. Not sure why you want to minimize that. Again, I get why people want to expand this more broadly to to more contemporary issues, but what European Jews faced in the 1930’s is markedly different than how the term “immigrant” is being deployed here.
BlakeW39
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Yes.
To expound on that... I think we've kind of gone past exploring political themes and gone into the territory of beating the
out of a dead horse. Like none of these blockbusters (or at least very few of them) really have anything new to say. They just drone on about the most milquetoast left-wing opinions you could possibly imagine. With the subtlety of a hammer. They're not even takes I disagree with. But I have heard them. Ad nauseum. Already.
Tony the Tigger
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aka real life.
