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EPCOT Figment, well, to be replaced by Figment
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WondersOfLife
Blink, blink. Breathe, breathe. Day in, day out.
Mexico could handle a new more popular ride in the same sense that Norway is able to... But it would need to move its main entrance somehow over to the side or around the pavilion with just an outdoor extended queue, and an exit that doesn't end up inside the pavilion.
WondersOfLife
Blink, blink. Breathe, breathe. Day in, day out.
Of course. But that's not why everyone keeps recommending an Inside Out show goes in there... They're thinking the old space could be re-skinned/utilized which is not the case, and they're not thinking about the rest of that entire pavilion, which has also been completely gutted.
It doesn't make much sense for Inside Out to be utilized in a small portion of a giant pavilion if there are not plans for the rest of the pavilion. Makes more sense to go into Magic Eye.
Homemade Imagineering
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The conspiracist side of me is hoping that this might go down a little sooner than later with WDI buying time for SSE with its short refurb that was announced today.
Invest money into keeping the other attraction chugging along for a few more years while JII gets some love. Take SSE offline right after Figment. I’m not sure if any of the work they’re doing at SSE will carry over to it’s next iteration, but if so I suppose it could also speed up the process a little just in time for the 50th.
Can’t see them taking SSE offline for a few months only to take it offline again for the “big one” months after. May as well go all in now unless you’ve got something bigger planned…
Invest money into keeping the other attraction chugging along for a few more years while JII gets some love. Take SSE offline right after Figment. I’m not sure if any of the work they’re doing at SSE will carry over to it’s next iteration, but if so I suppose it could also speed up the process a little just in time for the 50th.
Can’t see them taking SSE offline for a few months only to take it offline again for the “big one” months after. May as well go all in now unless you’ve got something bigger planned…
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GenChi
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Good question. I think people rely too much on wait times as a sole indicator of an attraction's success. Many say if something has a 120 minute wait it's a success, if it has a 10 minute wait it's a failure. There's far more variables then people give. Location, capacity, and operations play a role in wait time too.
Something can have a 120 minute wait. It can indicate it's a very popular attraction, it can also indicate it has very low capacity and can't get riders through, poor operations, or a prominent location
Something can have a 10 minute wait. It can indicate it's a very unpopular attraction, it can also indicate it has a large capacity, good operations, is in a harder to find area, and it's not meant as a E-ticket.
Same way I wouldn't say Pirates or Small World are failures for 20 min waits right now, if this new ride has a low wait that isn't bad. They know when rides are people eaters and when they max out an area's potential, which is why they aren't fighting to remove Nemo or GFT (and Cocopers need to get over it that dream is dead with the DCA build). If this gets more interest and more crowds then now, and of course more merch sales and prominence for the character, it would be successful. Doesn't need GOTG wait times.
ChewbaccaYourMum
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Sorry I should have been more clear.. I completely understand the concept of capacity on rides and how it effects wait times completely.
What I meant was what if they revamp the ride and it's incredible, but it is still able to be walked on, with no one in the queue and with like half full cars most of the day, which it is now. I don't think that has anything to do with the rides capacity efforts, I think it has to do with people just not going on the ride.
Pirates is a different story, because even though that wait time could be pretty low a lot of times during the day, I rarely ever see a boat not full of people, and at least a line of 5 minutes towards the end of the queue, which to me means all the boats going are full and it's using it's great great great capacity well.
The Leader of the Club
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I still don’t think they’d do anything to it for at least a decade, especially if fans receive the update well. They’d coast on that goodwill while they address other areas of the parks until his number gets called again. At that point, I think a different IP would be inevitable.
Mickeynerd17
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If TWDC can coast for nearly a quarter of a century on the current, mediocre version, then just imagine how long a good version would last.
The Leader of the Club
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Exactly
Cmdr_Crimson
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It'll be the day when a new version is "so amazing" you take a look at the wait times on your MDE still seeing a 90 min wait time at 6:45 pm...On a Wednesday..
FigmentsBrightIdeas
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You’re right on that first half.. but the second half I kinda disagree with, while it’s true not everything will appeal to everybody, that’s just a fact of life, the reality is, they ‘should’ usually try to make things that appeal to the widest range of audience and not just subsects. And in response to the original post HMF replied to. Why wouldn’t that ride & characters be a big success when they were to begin with and continue to sell big in merchandise (not to mention a recent successful meet n greet) ? The parks had more variety and things to do when it wasn’t almost always replacing classics and/or just greenlighting in general attractions only with celebrities & film IP tied into them, that or strictly thrill rides vs the higher capacity/slow moving darkrides. Before it was a much nicer variety/balance of types of attractions.. not anymore though sadly. (Mickey & Friends current state is a very sad example of this also. As opposed to making cartoons or shows that are accessible for all ages like they once did, it’s (mostly) now either strictly for preschoolers or folks that like edgy/out there cartoons that don’t keep the integrity of the characters intact. The more all-age appealing, genuine classic styles that kept to that integrity or even projects more like the comics (things like The Talking Mickey Mouse Show, shorts like Mickey’s Christmas Carol & Prince & the Pauper, Mickey MouseWorks/House of Mouse, Epic Mickey, Get a Horse, or even some of the recent 2D attempts Eric Goldberg & Mark Henn worked on for instance) are hardly ever greenlit or supported by the company to their better or full potential anymore it seems. It’s baffling) The original Journey Into Imagination was something aimed at everybody, that pretty much everybody enjoyed. Which is why it’s completely crazy they’d decide to get rid of it and drastically change it the way they did by pointlessly retheming the whole thing to unrelated film IP w a flanderized version of Figment shoehorned into it. There was simply no good reason to, especially since folks have been clamoring and buying retro style merch for ‘decades’ now, wanting to see the pavilion restored back to its former glory. Yet Disney absolutely refuses for whatever asinine/nonsensical reason.. I don’t get it.
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HMF
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I agree that you want to aim for the widest audience possible. The fact of the matter is the original EPCOT did have it's detractors but also it's fans. The sad part is Disney listened to the detractors and turned the park into the sorry state it is today. Maybe if they listened to the fans, instead, We wouldn't be in this mess.
FigmentsBrightIdeas
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I’d say it honestly takes a balance depending on circumstances. Honestly I think more people enjoyed EPCOT than those that didn’t.. but then again, I don’t have any internal data on that to prove anything and can only go off what I’ve seen and have heard most folks discuss on social media & sites like these. In the end though, I def think we could’ve had a much better balance of both park original and new offerings added that stay true to the park’s theme rather than constantly detracting from the originals as what’s happened more lately.
If we could atleast get things like Journey Into Imagination & Horizons restored & enhanced tastefully and some of those additional classic era World Showcase pavilion attraction plans built for the time being. We could get a lot of that balance we want in the park back.
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Bocabear
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Well Horizons is as gone as 20k Leagues...we will never see it's like in a WDW park again. I am beginning to think the same for Imagination at this point as well. Kind of funny that what was always considered the most creative entertainment company in the world has not been able to make the jump into the 21st century...they go in every direction except the one that made it famous and popular... No one disliked the original version of the Imagination pavilion... the refreshes were poorly done and have lead us here... they have also allowed the pavilion to no longer be imaginative... Disney shorts in the theater because no one was creative enough to come up with a show that relates to the pavilion... Upper management is unwilling to spend the money it would cost to update and bring the pavilion back to the showstopper it was.
and that is the problem in all 4 parks.... They probably could do amazing things again, but upper management won't pay for them....and frankly as they continue to raise their prices, they don't care what we think.
and that is the problem in all 4 parks.... They probably could do amazing things again, but upper management won't pay for them....and frankly as they continue to raise their prices, they don't care what we think.
GenChi
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It would be compared to how it stacks to the current version. If every car is filled and it gets some lines it'll be a success. A slow ride not based off a large film IP is not meant for a large line these days that people usually resonate as a success. If it had half filled cars and same low ridership as the current ride? Either there's another factor in play hindering attendance like issues with guests finding the entrance/not walking by it often or the concept just does not resonate for modern guests beyond the audience it gets now
Sometimes a great ride doesn't resonate with general guests. If it didn't? At least we'd have 20 years with it. I really wouldn't worry because I think a good ride will draw people in (and IO as a film in MET would draw people there further). And once it happens we get at least 2 decades with it
WorldExplorer
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I am here to report that, after being broken for a very long time, they have finally fixed the broken blast door in the current Figment finale.
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Rodj
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Is this the doors that separate the finale from the unload, or one of the drop down screens?
WorldExplorer
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The drop down screens that hide all the bright colors and Figments and go down when Figment says "blast".
For a long time one of them in the middle was stuck open so people could see the Figments behind them before the blast.
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virtualangel
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i feel like this has been fixed for awhile though never had an issue with it on my rides
The Underminer
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Blow this one up already.
The fact that the Pixar Film Fest is still playing is also embarrassing.
Inside Out and Figment would make for a killer pavilion, but I think the ride needs a complete redo. Reusing the track would be a shortsighted mistake.
The fact that the Pixar Film Fest is still playing is also embarrassing.
Inside Out and Figment would make for a killer pavilion, but I think the ride needs a complete redo. Reusing the track would be a shortsighted mistake.