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Hawkeye_2018
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Finished the OT with my kid. He liked it. But he prefers the PT as it has way more lightsaber/Jedi stuff. Doesn't seem like he's interested in watching the ST anytime soon. He's seen enough YT videos that he's already convinced they suck. 
As a kid, ESB was always my least favorite of the OT. But watching them back now, it has clearly aged the best of the 3.
As a kid, ESB was always my least favorite of the OT. But watching them back now, it has clearly aged the best of the 3.
Willmark
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Understood.Finished the OT with my kid. He liked it. But he prefers the PT as it has way more lightsaber/Jedi stuff. Doesn't seem like he's interested in watching the ST anytime soon. He's seen enough YT videos that he's already convinced they suck.
As a kid, ESB was always my least favorite of the OT. But watching them back now, it has clearly aged the best of the 3.
I’m a child of the OT and used to not like RoJ for certain aspects. Good but not as great as the other two.
Same with the OT. AOTC is near the bottom of all of the barrel but throughly enjoyed the other two. RVOTS is up there with ESB in my opinion. ESB is hard to top but ANH is very close, RVOTS a shade behind ANH.
Then there is the sequels. Enjoyed TFA was meh on TROS.
After that? I do not acknowledge that there is another SW movie in the ST. Sure there is a movie but it’s not SW.
Others may disagree which is fine. To me TLJ is not only the worst SW property of all time (and that includes THS and BFE) but the worst movie of all time.
Phroobar
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It's not RVOTS. It is just ROTS.
I liked the Battle for Endor better than the Ewok Adventure.
Screamface
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TLJ was crafted as a standalone piece of provocative, subversive content, prioritising shock value over its role in the Star Wars saga. It was disposable. Unlike the original and prequel trilogies, which have endured through repeated viewings due to their cohesive storytelling and reverence for the franchise’s legacy, TLJ feels disconnected from the established narrative. It disregards the thematic and emotional continuity of Star Wars, particularly the expectation that Luke Skywalker, post-Return of the Jedi, would become a great Jedi Master who trains a new generation—a fundamental aspect of the saga’s “happily ever after” DNA.
Regardless of the EU or what Disney says. That is not what happened with Luke. We watched the OT for decades and it is fundamental to the core of those films that Luke didn't end up like that.
TLJ fails to honor what came before or set up what follows. Instead it disrupts and needlessly so. While TFA had flaws, TLJ’s disregard for the broader story renders the sequel trilogy disposable, lacking the rewatchability that defines Star Wars. The sequels feel at odds with the originals, undermining their authenticity.
Phroobar
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They are the anti-trilogy.
brideck
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Isn't it The Force Awakens that really set this up as an impossibility, though? The Luke in hiding thing is the central MacGuffin of that whole movie, and is pretty at odds with a Jedi Master proudly training a new generation. After all, there aren't any new, younger Jedi seen in that movie at all... outside of Kylo Ren.
Nevermore525
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Yes, The Force Awakens more or less pidgeonholed Luke into being more of a reluctant trainer like Yoda before him because of errors he made as a master. The Luke Skywalker of the OT would’ve immediately been there for Han/Leia to help them, instead he stayed in hiding while an evil power grew. That’s on TFA for setting up.
Which, in George’s version was more or less what Luke became after the years.
The EU created a larger than life Luke that got built up for 40 years that was only on those pages and never the screen.
Mando season 2 gave the fan service Luke that people were clamoring for.
Hawkeye_2018
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Luke had to be sidelined somehow to increase the stakes and the threat of the First Order. I blame JJ just as much as anyone else for how it was done. And he should have known better than anyone, fans wanted (and deserved) at least one scene with the big 3 together.
Sirwalterraleigh
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Mark Hamill Says ‘I Had My Time’ In the ‘Star Wars’ Franchise, Has No Plans to Return as Luke Skywalker: ‘They Should Focus on the Future and All the New Characters’
Mark Hamill says 'I had my time' in 'Star Wars' and has no plans to return as Luke Skywalker.
variety.com
Read between the lines on this one
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
So in other words: it was $h!t
Which is failing the assignment. You know how a teacher will give a kid like half credit if they at least turn the homework it?
This one is basically a flat zero. The one mistake Disney should have known (because everyone did) was not to make things look more silly or disjointed/dead end…
They did such a fantastic job of that it makes Rick McCollum blush
erasure fan1
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Hot take maybe, but I put most all the blame on Kennedy and Iger. Either one one of them could have stepped in and said "nope, this needs to center around the original characters." And if what the people like Arndt who were working the story before JJ came on are to be believed. They were told not to focus on Luke. So the signs all point to Kennedy wanting her own star wars and Iger believed and went along with her nonsense. I'm not going say JJ holds no blame, but come on. We all knew who JJ was before he came on. He was going to mystery box us and he wasn't good at finishing. But again, in the end, it was all pushed through by Kennedy and Uncle Bobby.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I gotta find the SGA interview arndt did…
It was either in that text or on a comment following it up where he said that “corporate” told him “you can’t have luke Skywalker in it…he’ll steal the movie”
Funny how that’s EXACTLY what everyone wanted?
These people are just stupid.
Disney Irish
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Maybe we should start a thread specifically for your parody memes so they don't clog up the "news".
Phroobar
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Bah humbugMaybe we should start a thread specifically for your parody memes so they don't clog up the "news".
Screamface
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I believe Arndt said that when writing Ep7 whenever it got to writing Luke, the whole film just became about him at the expense of the new characters.
TFA didn't set up anything though. All it left was expectation which is why Luke throwing away the lightsabre was considered shocking and subversive.
There was nothing in TFA that would have precluded Luke doing anything. He could have had a family on the island. He could have had a Kamino style underwater Jedi Academy training recruits out of the grasp of Snoke's influence. He could have been exploring ancient mysteries of the Jedi and Sith to find a way to defeat Snoke. Snoke could have been anything other than a disposable clone plot piece.
There were endless possibilities. Author Brandon Sanderson has talked about this when discussing how bad TLJ was. There were many possibilities of where the trilogy could have gone at the end of TFA. Despite its flaws.
TFA didn't set up anything though. All it left was expectation which is why Luke throwing away the lightsabre was considered shocking and subversive.
There was nothing in TFA that would have precluded Luke doing anything. He could have had a family on the island. He could have had a Kamino style underwater Jedi Academy training recruits out of the grasp of Snoke's influence. He could have been exploring ancient mysteries of the Jedi and Sith to find a way to defeat Snoke. Snoke could have been anything other than a disposable clone plot piece.
There were endless possibilities. Author Brandon Sanderson has talked about this when discussing how bad TLJ was. There were many possibilities of where the trilogy could have gone at the end of TFA. Despite its flaws.
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Usually none of “articles” like this are true at all…but if it is at all, it represents “circling the bowl with a paddle”
comicbook.com
Mark Hamill Reveals Why He Won’t Return for Star Wars 10 (& Fans Might Agree)
Mark Hamill explains why he wouldn't be interested in returning to play Luke Skywalker's Force ghost in the upcoming Star Wars: New Jedi Order.
comicbook.com
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Well as you like to say, "Back up the truck with cash" and I'm sure he'll show up if asked.Usually none of “articles” like this are true at all…but if it is at all, it represents “circling the bowl with a paddle”
Mark Hamill Reveals Why He Won’t Return for Star Wars 10 (& Fans Might Agree)
Mark Hamill explains why he wouldn't be interested in returning to play Luke Skywalker's Force ghost in the upcoming Star Wars: New Jedi Order.
Also just my two cents, but I don't take anything he said as being negative about the franchise, just a man who realizes that its probably best to move on and stop trying to drag up characters for nostalgia purposes to get that quick fanboi reaction.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Oh right
I wasn’t commenting on the Hamill part…I agree he shouldn’t be back at this point. It’s the other stuff that is beyond stupid. That movie would be boycotted if ever made…which I highly doubt it would be