Sirwalterraleigh
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So really has an uphill climb if that holds true
A good movie can overcome…so there’s that
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A good movie can overcome…so there’s that
And because of that, all the originals must be cancelled! I’m sorry, but Pixar and WDAS have to do sequels from now on to survive! If nobody wants to see originals anymore, then I guess we have to let them go for the sake of the company!
That’s true…. However the spend is ridiculous for both movies from the get go...considering Mission Impossible has never been a billion dollar franchise…
Disney Irish
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No offense but you’re being overdramatic.Hoppers might flop too! So maybe Disney and Pixar will just have to stick sequels to survive. I know fans will not like it, but there’s no other choice! The originals that’s in the works must be cancelled!
Ghost93
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With a $400 million budget, Mission Impossible: The Final Reckoning will struggle to break even.
And honestly, I can't say I feel to bad too for the movie. Unlike Dead Reckoning — which was a legitimately great action film that was unfortunately overlooked due to the Barbenheimer phenomenon, "the Final Reckoning" is a mess. In fact, I would go as far as to say it's the worst Mission Impossible film.
Over the past two weeks I binged the previous 7 Mission Impossible movies — most of which I've seen only once. Overall, I think they hold up pretty well. But Mission Impossible: The Final Reckoning is nearly ruined by terrible and forced exposition (the kind of ham-fisted exposition we saw in the first third of Captain America: Brave New World) and CONSTANT and intrusive flashbacks to previous movies. The flashbacks ruined the movie's pacing and tried too hard to spoon-feed everything to the audience. It was kind of insulting.
I also didn't like how overly serious it was an how they tried to turn Ethan Hunt into a sacrificial Jesus-type character.
Still, I think the Final Reckoning is still worth a watch if you are a fan of the series. There's an underwater sequence in a submarine that is one of the best parts of ANY Mission Impossible movie.
My personal ranking of the series would be:
1. Mission Impossible: Fallout
2. Mission Impossible: Dead Reckoning
3. Mission Impossible III
4. Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation
5. Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol
6. Mission Impossible II **
7. Mission Impossible
8. Mission Impossible: The Final Reckoning.
** The original Mission Impossible is objectively a better movie than MI2, but MI2 — with John Woo's highly stylized directing — is SO cheesy and dated and over-the-top that I think it's more entertaining in a "it's so bad its good" kind of way. I understand that unintentional camp is not what most Mission Impossible fans are looking for, but I personally found it amusing and rather hilarious.
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Disney Irish
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I’m not sure where this panic you have is coming from, did you watch another Pro YouTube video? Told you to stop watching that hack. Anyways take a deep breath, everything will be fine.And because of that, all the originals must be cancelled! I’m sorry, but Pixar and WDAS have to do sequels from now on to survive! If nobody wants to see originals anymore, then I guess we have to let them go for the sake of the company!
Not this time. But you’re right, I’ll try to calm down. But I’m not liking what I’m seeing for Elio. I blame either Bob Iger or maybe those writers are being political!
Ghost93
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Elio has an unfortunate release date. Would have been much better if it had come out in March, when there was less competition for family audiences.
Of course, Disney had Snow White come out in March and they probably wren't expecting it to bomb as hard as it did. Still, with all the pre-release controversy of Snow White, I think in retrospect it may have been better for Disney to have that movie to have come out in June instead of Elio. Because so many other blockbusters are being released in June, there would be less focus in the media on Snow White flopping. Snow White bombed when there was hardly any competition, and there was a lot more press coverage about it, because there was nothing else to talk about. And the lack of competition made its poor performance all the more embarrassing.
Of course, Disney had Snow White come out in March and they probably wren't expecting it to bomb as hard as it did. Still, with all the pre-release controversy of Snow White, I think in retrospect it may have been better for Disney to have that movie to have come out in June instead of Elio. Because so many other blockbusters are being released in June, there would be less focus in the media on Snow White flopping. Snow White bombed when there was hardly any competition, and there was a lot more press coverage about it, because there was nothing else to talk about. And the lack of competition made its poor performance all the more embarrassing.
Tony the Tigger
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I’d like to correct people in general misusing that word. What is not original about Zootopia 2? Has that movie been made before? Has that story been told before? Was Empire Strikes Back not original?Based on the results of Elio, I guess it’s either the end of Pixar or the end of the originals! It’s sequels forever! I’m afraid Pixar will have to cancel all the originals and stick to sequels!
It’s brand new material. It’s their own IP. It’s original.
Tony the Tigger
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I have never seen any mission impossible movies, and have no interest. I watched the original television series when it was out.
With that said, keeping this group consistent:
Much like the Disney movies made during the same time, including Snow White, the budget for this latest Tom Cruise project was not planned to be as high as it became. The strikes and the pandemic drastically raised their costs.
Also, much like we say about Disney films, more money will be made on the back end. It may not break even for this particular film, but you’ll recall I posted something a few pages back explaining how this film increases the reach and profitability of the entire franchise, which brings in tens of millions every year.
With that said, keeping this group consistent:
Much like the Disney movies made during the same time, including Snow White, the budget for this latest Tom Cruise project was not planned to be as high as it became. The strikes and the pandemic drastically raised their costs.
Also, much like we say about Disney films, more money will be made on the back end. It may not break even for this particular film, but you’ll recall I posted something a few pages back explaining how this film increases the reach and profitability of the entire franchise, which brings in tens of millions every year.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Not sure what about Elio is making you think its "political" as it doesn't give me that vibe at all. But yes calm down, everything will be fine. As said many times before, even if Elio doesn't perform well its not the end of WDAS or Pixar. Both will still be fine.
Remember everything is a cycle, even if they end up doing sequels for awhile they will come back to more wholly original stories in the future.
Tony the Tigger
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Disney Irish
Premium Member
No doubt, but trying to overcome a $300M-$500M deficit (my suspected loss on it) is a huge mountain to climb. Paramount/Skydance may not be able to fully breakeven on this one.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Mojo is sometimes slower on updating theirs, but Numbers is usually updated by this time. It seems to also be the go to site for everyone here so I've just sort of defaulted to it.I’m waiting!
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The Numbers - Daily Box Office Chart for Friday May 23, 2025
Daily Domestic Box Office Chart for Friday May 23, 2025
www.the-numbers.com
TP2000
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What weakness exactly is this based on? It’s currently 50/50 and domestic had a holiday.
Based on some of the most popular live action remakes from Disney the past few years.
Lilo & Stitch's foreign box office is currently at 98% of its domestic box office. That's not good. Barely over half what it should be doing, compared to other recent popular live action remakes. (I think we can all agree to never use Rachel Zegler's Snow White as a normal comparison to anything, except potential future massive bombs)
Mufasa's foreign box office was 184% of its domestic box office.
Aladdin's foreign box office was 193% of its domestic box office.
BatB's foreign box office was 151% of its domestic box office.
The closest analogy so far for Lilo & Stitch was the foreign box office for The Little Mermaid, which was only 91% of its domestic box office. This was often assumed to be due to racism in many foreign countries, especially the nations of East Asia, Central America and South America who statistically had no desire to go see The Little Mermaid in theaters.
The point about Lilo & Stitch debuting on a holiday weekend in the USA is valid, but it probably only accounts for a small amount of that box office discrepancy in foreign lands. Probably just the extra $20 Million or so it got on Monday in the US, compared to the non-holiday Monday overseas.
As it stands now, Lilo & Stitch is underperforming overseas as a percentage of domestic box office almost as badly as The Little Mermaid did. That's an Oof!, especially in Scandinavia's box office.
Tony the Tigger
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That’s what I wanted to see - still hanging close to 10 mil. Consistency. Let’s see how the weekend goes. I’m optimistic.Mojo is sometimes slower on updating theirs, but Numbers is usually updated by this time. It seems to also be the go to site for everyone here so I've just sort of defaulted to it.
The Numbers - Daily Box Office Chart for Friday May 23, 2025
Daily Domestic Box Office Chart for Friday May 23, 2025
This is unusual to see how many showings of Stitch were “sold out” today. That remaining 8:30 slot has mostly just the first two (too close) rows open, plus a few scattered seats.
The 8pm showings of Karate Kid and MI are both around half full.
I think Stitch obviously keeps the top spot with $55-$80 million+ and Karate/MI2 battle it out for 2nd place in the $25-$35 million range.
I blame all of you for getting me to the point of reading all of this like a racing form!
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Are you really looking at the final totals of where international ended up for those movies and trying to do a comparison to a movie just released? You know that is nuts right? You can't do a comparison that way.
Where was Mufasa's international numbers after its opening weekend compared to its domestic? How about going into the second weekend? Same with every other movie you're trying to compare?
You're not doing a true apples-to-apples comparison. So you can't say the international numbers are lagging because you don't know, you aren't using the correct numbers.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Deadline is predicting $60M for Stitch, $27M for M:I, and $20M for Karate Kid.That’s what I wanted to see - still hanging close to 10 mil. Consistency. Let’s see how the weekend goes. I’m optimistic.
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This is unusual to see how many showings of Stitch were “sold out” today. That remaining 8:30 slot has mostly just the first two (too close) rows open, plus a few scattered seats.
The 8pm showings of Karate Kid and MI are both around half full.
I think Stitch obviously keeps the top spot with $55-$80 million+ and Karate/MI2 battle it out for 2nd place in the $25-$35 million range.
I blame all of you for getting me to the point of reading all of this like a racing form!
Tony the Tigger
Well-Known Member
See, they’re right in line with my total guesses lol.
TP2000
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See my post above. Lilo & Stitch is underperforming overseas as of May 29th, heading into its second weekend in all markets except Japan (where it opens June 6th, and will likely do well but not make up for the rest of the planet's underperformance).
Lilo & Stitch's foreign box office is currently 98% of its domestic box office.
Mufasa's foreign box office was 184% of its domestic box office.
Aladdin's foreign box office was 193% of its domestic box office.
BatB's foreign box office was 151% of its domestic box office.
The Little Mermaid's foreign box office was 91% of its domestic box office.
I'd guess once Japan comes online, and by the time its leaving global theaters in late July, Lilo & Stitch's foreign box office will be 110% or less of its domestic box office. That's an underwhelming overseas box office haul, comparatively.
Heck, you could even drag Rachel Zegler out of the morgue, and see that Snow White's foreign box office was 136% of its paltry domestic box office. Lilo & Stitch needs a big shot in the arm at the overseas box office this weekend.
