Hawkeye_2018
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As of right now, I see FF performing similar to other recent MCU films.
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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Sirwalterraleigh
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We can’t even agree on what that actually is?
Disney Irish
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I think we can all agree what is it. What I don't think we can agree on is what our beliefs in what expectations are surrounding the same inside the walls of Burbank.We can’t even agree on what that actually is?
Range appears to be be $400-$500M for the average of recent MCU films, if you're wondering.
BrianLo
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I chaff at being indirectly accused of spin; going to assume I’m being lumped in there. Trying to present things consistently and accurately is not spinning.
Cap 4 I was never excited for or inspired by. I don’t know who had hopes for it, but it was never me. That movie was forgettable.
Thunderbolts was quite good and is a quality step up and quite disappointing it did not perform as it “deserved” to have. Though I suspect it is limping past Cap 4, the holds are far better than that film.
Fantastic 4 definitely needs to hit and I suspect it will. Anything under 600 unless the movie is an unexpected train wreck, is a massive slight on the current state of the MCU. It is the tentpole film for them this year.
Cap 4 I was never excited for or inspired by. I don’t know who had hopes for it, but it was never me. That movie was forgettable.
Thunderbolts was quite good and is a quality step up and quite disappointing it did not perform as it “deserved” to have. Though I suspect it is limping past Cap 4, the holds are far better than that film.
Fantastic 4 definitely needs to hit and I suspect it will. Anything under 600 unless the movie is an unexpected train wreck, is a massive slight on the current state of the MCU. It is the tentpole film for them this year.
brideck
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Pretty sure I've actually interpreted this one. "Friday" being when Lilo & Stitch is out and will hit pretty massively, so therefore it will be proof that all Disney movies are intended to hit massively and rake in the bucks at the BO.
brideck
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Meant to respond to this earlier. They absolutely did make them for "some" people.
Comic books, superheroes, and their movies have never been a four-quadrant endeavor. They've always skewed male and younger. The fact that the MCU contains movies and shows explicitly designed to target different quadrants should be evidence enough of this.
Disney Irish
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That is the problem, we shouldn't have to interpret a vague comment that could really mean anything.
But to expand upon that, assuming its a correct interpretation, I don't see that as some "proof" of anything, other than Disney movies can still be a hit at the box office (which I don't think there was any doubt given 2024), but certainly not "proof" that Disney intends or expects that with their movies. The guidance given in the FY24 earnings shows what Disney's intentions and expectations are with the box office.
Sirwalterraleigh
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Well marvel studios and paramount did…for sure
But we aren’t talking about that…it was a moving train
What’s always convenient when talking Disney is how often people want to give them Credit for being unique…when it suits…while reserving the right to comp them to anyone else…when convenient.
Either they’re the big dog…or some puppy tumbling around. They can’t be both
Sirwalterraleigh
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Disney Irish
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And you don't know what those internal goals are though, no one here does. So don't play like you do, you have an opinion based on an assumption, but there is no proof that is actually what Disney's goal are.
Also as discussed I believe your assumptions of goals are outdated and incorrect based on where we are in the post-pandemic era. Disney has provided guidance on what their goals are, so I don't know why you can't accept that.
TP2000
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I can't believe it's almost Memorial Day Weekend! Where did the Spring go? I blame Easter for being so late this year (Decades and decades later, and I still don't know how that Easter calendar works! Should I blame the Romans? Or thank the Phoenicians?)
But I've got to do a Target run later this week, so what should I be looking for in the toy aisle for Burbank Summer Mega-Budget Tentpole Blockbuster stuff on sale? Lilo & Stitch stuff? Or Fantastic Four? We used to be able to chart the summer releases by the toys in the McDonald's Happy Meals, but I guess that's over now. So... the Target toy aisle it is!
Honestly, if Bob Chapek had a single ounce of humor or personality, he would've gotten Kristin Wiig as The Target Lady to bring the dog out on stage at D23 Expo. But then, it was Bob Chapek, and he had no humor or personality to speak of.
But I've got to do a Target run later this week, so what should I be looking for in the toy aisle for Burbank Summer Mega-Budget Tentpole Blockbuster stuff on sale? Lilo & Stitch stuff? Or Fantastic Four? We used to be able to chart the summer releases by the toys in the McDonald's Happy Meals, but I guess that's over now. So... the Target toy aisle it is!
Honestly, if Bob Chapek had a single ounce of humor or personality, he would've gotten Kristin Wiig as The Target Lady to bring the dog out on stage at D23 Expo. But then, it was Bob Chapek, and he had no humor or personality to speak of.
TP2000
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I know the kids today don't like to use the word "Capitalism", and everyone likes to pretend that Capitalist Free Markets aren't a thing even though they still are, and still feed and clothe and shelter us all. But...
I'm going to guess the internal goal for any Burbank movie is to make a profit. Preferably at the box office.
We should have a thread about that. It could be fun!
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
It’s just a redonkulousI know the kids today don't like to use the word "Capitalism", and everyone likes to pretend that Capitalist Free Markets aren't a thing even though they still are, and still feed and clothe and shelter us all. But...
I'm going to guess the internal goal for any Burbank movie is to make a profit. Preferably at the box office.
We should have a thread about that. It could be fun!
Stance…
“Well…we used to make 3-4x+ our budgets for most of these tentpoles…but now we’re cool barely breaking even…and often losing. We also like being questioned for our choices constantly (negative buzz). But we understand because we had to buy hand sanitizer for a year”
What in the hell?
Nevermore525
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Zootopia 2 gets a trailer drop pre Lilo and Stitch.
Meanwhile, Elio hasn’t gotten a new trailer drop since March. I’m not counting the TV spot before American Idol because it’s acknowledged nowhere by Disney or Pixar.
Disney really does not care how Elio performs, but maybe they just expect it to bomb since there has only been 1 “Original” films since Coco (2017) to earn $200M domestically. Sinners is the list.
Meanwhile, Elio hasn’t gotten a new trailer drop since March. I’m not counting the TV spot before American Idol because it’s acknowledged nowhere by Disney or Pixar.
Disney really does not care how Elio performs, but maybe they just expect it to bomb since there has only been 1 “Original” films since Coco (2017) to earn $200M domestically. Sinners is the list.
John park hopper
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Noticed Snow White is available on Netflix to rent ---didn't last long in the theaters maybe Disney should get out of the movie business and concentrate on making the parks great again
LittleBuford
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Unless I’m mistaken, you would have seen it on another platform, as I don’t think it (or any film, for that matter) is available to rent on Netflix. In any case, it’s still playing in some cinemas, and the time between its theatrical release and recent rental release is pretty standard these days, and certainly not short—Wicked became available to rent much quicker.
None of this is to deny the film has performed abysmally, of course.
Dranth
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I want to push back on this because it seems to be a pretty common sentiment that I think misses the mark a bit.
If we look back, Disney has regularly been releasing bombs since 1940 with stretches of amazing successes sprinkled in but without sticking with it, they NEVER would have come close to the success they achieved. Even more so these days as they now have more than enough other revenue streams to cover a bad theatrical year(s) and the long-term gains from the good years more than make up for the bad.
For example, the worst year modern Disney ever had with expensive bomb after bomb was 2023 and that year:
- Content Sales/Licensing (where theatrical is located) reported a loss of 179 million.
- Direct-To-Consumer lost 2.5 billion (THIS is the kind of money that can impact other areas).
- Linear made 4.1 billion
Nevermore525
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It’s been on PVOD since May 13, A Minecraft Movie hit PVOD on the same day.
Hawkeye_2018
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To rent Snow White it's $25 right now. Would be interesting to know the revenue some of these films make in on demand sales. But that is information rarely made public.
Agent H
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It’s Friday? Cool can we swap bodies so I can see what made you mad at Disney?
This. The number of people who are willing to leave their house to see a movie that isn’t a big event is dwindling. It’s becoming much harder for the average person (not I) to find the time and the money.