MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

Smoky

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This might be the biggest folly of this ride. One of the appeals of off-road rallying IS the speed, not just going over bumps.

This attraction might well end up being: "What if we made Test Track, but instead of the fast section everyone likes, it's all Belgian Blocks!"
This. I ride/race dirt bikes and have done plenty of off roading in any kind of vehicle you can imagine, and the thrill is in the speed and sense of danger. I seriously doubt this ride will offer anything close to that. Leaving the ruination of ROA aside, I just can't see how this will be anything other than "Kilamanjaro Safari without animals but slightly faster". Cosmic Rewind doesn't belong at Epcot but at least it is a fantastic ride on its own merits and works because of that. Maybe I'm wrong and it'll be another Disney classic but from everything we've been shown so far I'm convinced the ride system will be a complete and total flop.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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This attraction might well end up being: "What if we made Test Track, but instead of the fast section everyone likes, it's all Belgian Blocks!"
Yeah, I had this thought too. Since it’s a “race” I hope there is a high speed section but it’s a small space and the concept art we have seen shows lots of hills and curves.

I’m also concerned about the big picture expansion plans of the MK. They just put tron right next to space mountain (coaster next to coaster) now they are putting a mountain based “thrill” (???) ride next to big thunder and splash - both thrill rides. And the next big expansion is Villians which has yet another coaster and another TBD attraction.

As part of this expansion they are taking out at least two all-ages family attractions.

MK needs more family attractions - Casey jr, beauty and beast, tangled, etc.
 

mickEblu

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Yeah, I had this thought too. Since it’s a “race” I hope there is a high speed section but it’s a small space and the concept art we have seen shows lots of hills and curves.

Wouldn’t surprise me if it doesn’t have one high speed section. We have a Mario Kart ride that goes the speed of Pinocchios Daring Journey. Man, I’d kill for that thing to go as fast as Mr. Toads Wild Ride.
 

Orange is the new Red

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This. I ride/race dirt bikes and have done plenty of off roading in any kind of vehicle you can imagine, and the thrill is in the speed and sense of danger. I seriously doubt this ride will offer anything close to that. Leaving the ruination of ROA aside, I just can't see how this will be anything other than "Kilamanjaro Safari without animals but slightly faster". Cosmic Rewind doesn't belong at Epcot but at least it is a fantastic ride on its own merits and works because of that. Maybe I'm wrong and it'll be another Disney classic but from everything we've been shown so far I'm convinced the ride system will be a complete and total flop.
I think this ride looks awesome. Indoor dark ride segments, with inclines/declines/ bumpy roads/ and a fast section.
This isn't going to be a simple off road simulator. I think this has the potential to be great. NOT ARGUING RIDE PLACEMENT! I would think of this as a different but similar type of cars ride that is out in Cali.
 
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TrainsOfDisney

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It's implied due to the height of the mountain structure. Speed will be final stretch to finish line.
I’m not sure I follow that connection?
Certainly if it’s a “race” there needs to be the illusion of speed at some point. I would hope. But this isn’t the test track ride system so I’m not sure if this system will be capable of actual speed or not.
 

TrainsOfDisney

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I'm also not convinced that off-road rallying =< speed.

Let me help you. I know you don’t follow that connection. The ride was literally described as a thrill ride when it was announced. For someone that is so opinionated you sure don’t listen. Funny how that happens.
I was echoing WDWmagic’s thoughts on speed and I was not seeing the connection between “tall mountain” and dark ride elements. I’ve said multiple times that I hope dark ride elements exist. That would be good news.
 

Orange is the new Red

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They’re building an “off roading” ride with a track. That tells you everything you need to know about this project.
It’s a different version of California Cars with off road, speed, and dark ride components.

Really funny to see people spread false information based off their bias and hate for this project because of location. That’s what’s going on. I promise you people like yourself are going to hate how good this project turns out to be!
 
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Jrb1979

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It’s a different version of California Cars with off road, speed, and dark ride components.

Really funny to see people spread false information based off their bias and hate for this project because of location. That’s what’s going on. I promise you people like yourself are going to hate how good this project turns out to be!
I'm sure some of the bias is due to location. At least for me, the problem I have with what's been shown so far is the lack of speed and thrill. Off road racing is based on speed and thrill that comes with that. Instead of actually going 50 mph or faster, it's likely to simulate that. The focus will be on the show scenes and the theme of the ride.
 

Disstevefan1

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I promise you people like yourself are going to hate how good this project turns out to be!
I will hold you to that promise. Its really great you have confidence in this project.

I do not. I fear this project will get "scope cut", meaning all the things they wanted to do cost too much and to stay within the budget, they must "scope cut"

In Disney's movie business they are allowed to go over budget with reshoots etc. for a movie that is forgotten about a month after its out of the theater, but in Disney's theme park business, for an attraction that will be around for decades, they must hold to a budget and make "scope cuts" as needed to stay within budget. This double standard really bothers me.

Another worry I have is the day to day operation and reliability of this attraction.

I would be very happy to be wrong here and this Cars thing they are trying to do is a success.

I don’t want this to be WDW’s “Rocket Rods” there something was destroyed and its replacement turned out to be a failure.
 
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Orange is the new Red

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I will hold you to that promise. Its really great you have confidence in this project.

I do not. I fear this project will get "scope cut", meaning all the things they wanted to do cost too much and to stay within the budget, they must "scope cut"

In Disney's movie business they are allowed to go over budget with reshoots etc. for a movie that is forgotten about a month after its out of the theater, but in Disney's theme park business, for an attraction that will be around for decades, they must hold to a budget and make "scope cuts" as needed to stay within budget.

This double standard really bothers me.
I’m not saying scope cuts won’t happen, but I will say we are in a different era of competition and tighter family budgets. Disney knows this. This isn’t pre pandemic Disney!!!
 

Charlie The Chatbox Ghost

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It’s a different version of California Cars with off road, speed, and dark ride components.

Really funny to see people spread false information based off their bias and hate for this project because of location. That’s what’s going on. I promise you people like yourself are going to hate how good this project turns out to be!
Not saying I disagree with being positive but I don’t know how you can look at what Disney has done in the past few years and still go “I have complete trust that this will be amazing and anyone who says anything bad is just biased and mad about the rivers”

They’re building essentially a slower Test Track but mostly outdoors in a part of the world that has rain and storms all the time. If Test Track has to shut down when the weather gets bad just because of its outdoor portion, this ride is gonna be down a lot… assuming it runs perfectly when it’s dry out.

Plus, I fully expect the scope of this project to be scaled back because of the inevitable economic collapse America is facing. Best case scenario, the off the shelf kid ride is cut to keep this ride as imagined. Worst case scenario, it’s cut down considerably.

Disney hasn’t been at the top of their game as of late, at least in terms of rides. (CBMJ was well done but that’s an AA show, not an E Ticket.) I think Tiana’s is pretty but it breaks down constantly and has had animatronics broken for extended periods of time, much like Splash at the end of its life- which is bad considering one was a 30+ year old ride and the other is brand new. Every other new attraction to my knowledge is a clone of something from another park or an overlay of an old attraction. The cause? Disney cheaping out. They over promise and then cut budgets and scope until you’re left with something the Imagineers had to cobble together with what little money they were given.

Will Cars be good? We’ll have to wait and see. Josh may remove that “turbocharged” budget and leave us with an attraction that doesn’t work most of the time and is half of what it was going to be. No matter what though it’s a bad fit for the center of Frontierland.
 

Charlie The Chatbox Ghost

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I’m not saying scope cuts won’t happen, but I will say we are in a different era of competition and tighter family budgets. Disney knows this. This isn’t pre pandemic Disney!!!
Post Pandemic Disney still cuts budgets for parks while grossly overspending everywhere else. They also still raise prices and monetize everything despite families having less spending power. They haven’t changed at all and in fact I’d argue they’ve gotten worse.

Disney also doesn’t really seem to acknowledge competition. The only thing they’ve announced that may be a response to EU is Villains Land, but even that’s a concept they’ve been working on for decades.
 

Disstevefan1

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I’m not saying scope cuts won’t happen, but I will say we are in a different era of competition and tighter family budgets. Disney knows this. This isn’t pre pandemic Disney!!!
Well lets see what happens, it will a LONG wait to see the end product. No one knows what we will get in the end.

As for families, I feel sorry for them as many families are being priced out just from the constant price increases on everything not related to this project.

With the loss of RoA, TSI and the riverboat families are losing free attractions replaced by attractions that require LLs.
 

Charlie The Chatbox Ghost

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Well lets see what happens, it will a LONG wait to see the end product. No one knows what we will get in the end.

As for families, I feel sorry for them as many families are being priced out just from the constant price increases on everything not related to this project.

With the loss of RoA, TSI and the riverboat families are losing free attractions replaced by attractions that require LLs.
This. The replacement of free things with paid things is criminal. Sure, the Shooting Arcade and TSI/the Riverboat aren’t thrilling modern experiences, but they were all free and didn’t have massive lines. Disney builds nothing but E Tickets nowadays because they draw long lines and therefore incentivize paying for LLs. Why have an attraction people can wait 0-20 minutes to enjoy when you can have something they have to wait 2-3 hours for or pay money to only wait 30-60 minutes?
 

Orange is the new Red

Well-Known Member
Not saying I disagree with being positive but I don’t know how you can look at what Disney has done in the past few years and still go “I have complete trust that this will be amazing and anyone who says anything bad is just biased and mad about the rivers”

They’re building essentially a slower Test Track but mostly outdoors in a part of the world that has rain and storms all the time. If Test Track has to shut down when the weather gets bad just because of its outdoor portion, this ride is gonna be down a lot… assuming it runs perfectly when it’s dry out.

Plus, I fully expect the scope of this project to be scaled back because of the inevitable economic collapse America is facing. Best case scenario, the off the shelf kid ride is cut to keep this ride as imagined. Worst case scenario, it’s cut down considerably.

Disney hasn’t been at the top of their game as of late, at least in terms of rides. (CBMJ was well done but that’s an AA show, not an E Ticket.) I think Tiana’s is pretty but it breaks down constantly and has had animatronics broken for extended periods of time, much like Splash at the end of its life- which is bad considering one was a 30+ year old ride and the other is brand new. Every other new attraction to my knowledge is a clone of something from another park or an overlay of an old attraction. The cause? Disney cheaping out. They over promise and then cut budgets and scope until you’re left with something the Imagineers had to cobble together with what little money they were given.

Will Cars be good? We’ll have to wait and see. Josh may remove that “turbocharged” budget and leave us with an attraction that doesn’t work most of the time and is half of what it was going to be. No matter what though it’s a bad fit for the center of Frontierland.
This isn’t pre pandemic Disney. That’s all I’ll say. The game has changed. Call me cautiously optimistic

I also dont share your overt negativity. I
 

Bocabear

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This isn’t pre pandemic Disney. That’s all I’ll say. The game has changed. Call me cautiously optimistic

I also dont share your overt negativity. I
I don't really feel like that post was overtly negative...but cautiously middle of the road... I think we are all feeling a little like that with the recent track record....and this being an epic undertaking that will forever completely alter this park... I am concerned for sure...
 

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