MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom

[disneyC97]

Does anyone have an idea on closures for TSI and the riverboat?

 

[Smoky]

Will Cars be good? We’ll have to wait and see. Josh may remove that “turbocharged” budget and leave us with an attraction that doesn’t work most of the time and is half of what it was going to be. No matter what though it’s a bad fit for the center of Frontierland.

Is Josh the bad guy or is it Jeff Vahle? I've heard various rumors (lots of salt and all that) that Josh is only one stopping the absolute worst impulses of upper management regarding greed/horrible ideas, and I've heard other rumors that Josh is the bad guy. It's likely a combination of the both of them but I've always wondered who is the real bad guy behind the scenes.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Does anyone have an idea on closures for TSI and the riverboat?

I’m not sure why people expect it so soon. The Rivers of America are part of the water management system and they haven’t even started the work of replacing its capacity.

 

[disneyC97]

I’m not sure why people expect it so soon. The Rivers of America are part of the water management system and they haven’t even started the work of replacing its capacity.

Selfish reasons as I’m going in August and want to see them again

 

[MrPromey]

It's implied due to the height of the mountain structure. Speed will be final stretch to finish line.

The question is, when was the last time Disney shocked us by something being more/better than explicitly announced?

Remember Galaxy's edge - the "biggest park expansion" in Disney's history?

Remember those animatornics everyone was expecting in the Cosmic Rewind preshow thanks to concept art and them showing off autonomous baby Groot in unrelated presentations?

Remember how TBA was going to have lots of animatronics and elaborate show scenes with a more compelling story and was in no way going to be a downgrade from SM because Disney knew how important it was to nail this re-imagining of one of MK's most popular rides/attractions?

Out in California, anyone want to talk about Avenger's campus?

Epcot - do I need to say more about that?

Even when it comes to their big moneymakers like the Polynesian village DVC Island Tower.

Modern Disney has a well documented history of over-promising and under-delivering rather than the opposite so it seems foolish to think there will be anything more than what is explicitly shown/stated and that even from that, there will likely be cuts of some sort.

I'd love to be less jaded but we've been down this road many times before.

 

[Disgruntled Walt]

I'd love to be less jaded but we've been down this road many times before.

Agreed, I'm "Disgruntled Walt" not because I WANT to be.

 

[danlb_2000]

I’m not sure why people expect it so soon. The Rivers of America are part of the water management system and they haven’t even started the work of replacing its capacity.

How is the capacity replaced when they drain it for maintenance?

 

[lazyboy97o]

How is the capacity replaced when they drain it for maintenance?

It’s not but it is ultimately still available. When it rains the water that flows into the Rivers of America still flows there. If really needed they could also make the decision to just start filling in the River.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

It’s a different version of California Cars with off road, speed, and dark ride components.

Are you saying you have insider / non-public information?

 

[andre85]

this isn’t going to do Test track speeds!

Tbf the original Cars Ride isn't Test Track speeds either

 

[Disstevefan1]

Are you saying you have insider / non-public information?

 

[Nickm2022]

Personally I'm excited for this project. It could be absolute garbage don't get me wrong but I think a nature themed ride is a fun idea and plus have been saying for years MK's Frontierland needed a overhaul like we got with MK's Tomorrowland.

 

[WaltWiz1901]

The cause? Disney cheaping out. They over promise and then cut budgets and scope until you’re left with something the Imagineers had to cobble together with what little money they were given.

you're talking about a company whose waste and bureaucracy can inflate prices beyond what should be reasonable, and often has. as I said earlier, scratchbuilding a borderline C-ticket in this day and age ideally should not cost the same amount as an Eisner-era E-ticket, and neither should a quick land overlay

 

[lazyboy97o]

The cause? Disney cheaping out. They over promise and then cut budgets and scope until you’re left with something the Imagineers had to cobble together with what little money they were given.

Budgets at Disney are not “little money”.

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

Not saying I disagree with being positive but I don’t know how you can look at what Disney has done in the past few years and still go “I have complete trust that this will be amazing and anyone who says anything bad is just biased and mad about the rivers”

They’re building essentially a slower Test Track but mostly outdoors in a part of the world that has rain and storms all the time. If Test Track has to shut down when the weather gets bad just because of its outdoor portion, this ride is gonna be down a lot… assuming it runs perfectly when it’s dry out.

Plus, I fully expect the scope of this project to be scaled back because of the inevitable economic collapse America is facing. Best case scenario, the off the shelf kid ride is cut to keep this ride as imagined. Worst case scenario, it’s cut down considerably.

Disney hasn’t been at the top of their game as of late, at least in terms of rides. (CBMJ was well done but that’s an AA show, not an E Ticket.) I think Tiana’s is pretty but it breaks down constantly and has had animatronics broken for extended periods of time, much like Splash at the end of its life- which is bad considering one was a 30+ year old ride and the other is brand new. Every other new attraction to my knowledge is a clone of something from another park or an overlay of an old attraction. The cause? Disney cheaping out. They over promise and then cut budgets and scope until you’re left with something the Imagineers had to cobble together with what little money they were given.

Will Cars be good? We’ll have to wait and see. Josh may remove that “turbocharged” budget and leave us with an attraction that doesn’t work most of the time and is half of what it was going to be. No matter what though it’s a bad fit for the center of Frontierland.

I don't think anyone saying anything bad is inherently biased or unwilling to accept change, but I do think some of the arguments against this decision are a little bit overly stubborn. I think it's valid to wish they found a way to do this while keeping the river, but the people who're completely against any sort of overhaul or change to Frontierland period, whether it be this or something else, I do think are being ridiculous and are completely unable to get over their own biases to see that something needs to change.

As for complete trust...well I mean I don't have complete trust because I don't have complete trust in any mega entertainment corporation to do anything. Their theme park products, movies, or whatever else can disappoint me and have disappointed me in the past. That said, I can count the new attractions and experiences they've added to the parks in the last few years that let me down on just a few fingers so I have more reason to be optimistic than pessimistic at the moment. I've greatly enjoyed most (not all by ANY means) of what they've done recently.

 

[mickEblu]

I don't think anyone saying anything bad is inherently biased or unwilling to accept change, but I do think some of the arguments against this decision are a little bit overly stubborn. I think it's valid to wish they found a way to do this while keeping the river, but the people who're completely against any sort of overhaul or change to Frontierland period, whether it be this or something else, I do think are being ridiculous and are completely unable to get over their own biases to see that something needs to change.

As for complete trust...well I mean I don't have complete trust because I don't have complete trust in any mega entertainment corporation to do anything. Their theme park products, movies, or whatever else can disappoint me and have disappointed me in the past. That said, I can count the new attractions and experiences they've added to the parks in the last few years that let me down on just a few fingers so I have more reason to be optimistic than pessimistic at the moment. I've greatly enjoyed most (not all by ANY means) of what they've done recently.

Here’s my issues with this whole thing…

1. The ROA and riverboat are an integral part of the Magic Kingdom/ castle park experience. Losing that vista with the steamboat going around the river is ROUGH.

2. Frontierland and Liberty Square were designed to be facing the waterfront. How does the area not suffer when it’s changed to more or less be facing a ring of trees?

3. Magic Kingdom lands and attractions need to evoke another time and place. The Cars franchise feels too modern and modern day National Park doesn’t really work with the castle park motif.

 

[Centauri Space Station]

Here’s me issues with this whole thing…

1. The ROA and riverboat are an integral part of the Magic Kingdom/ castle park experience. Losing that vista with the steamboat going around the river is ROUGH.

2. Frontierland and Liberty Square were designed to be facing the waterfront. How does the area not suffer when it’s changed to more or less be facing a ring of trees?

3. Magic Kingdom lands and attractions need to evoke another time and place. The Cars franchise feels too modern and modern day National Park doesn’t really work with the castle park motif.

Whens your trip to wdw again?

 

[Stripes]

The question is, when was the last time Disney shocked us by something being more/better than explicitly announced?

Remember Galaxy's edge - the "biggest park expansion" in Disney's history?

Remember those animatornics everyone was expecting in the Cosmic Rewind preshow thanks to concept art and them showing off autonomous baby Groot in unrelated presentations?

Remember how TBA was going to have lots of animatronics and elaborate show scenes with a more compelling story and was in no way going to be a downgrade from SM because Disney knew how important it was to nail this re-imagining of one of MK's most popular rides/attractions?

Out in California, anyone want to talk about Avenger's campus?

Epcot - do I need to say more about that?

Even when it comes to their big moneymakers like the Polynesian village DVC Island Tower.

Modern Disney has a well documented history of over-promising and under-delivering rather than the opposite so it seems foolish to think there will be anything more than what is explicitly shown/stated and that even from that, there will likely be cuts of some sort.

I'd love to be less jaded but we've been down this road many times before.

Here’s what’s different: Chapek is gone and Bruce Vaughn is back in charge of Imagineering.