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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

Trauma

Well-Known Member
So you’ve never said anything in the heat of the moment that you later regretted? You’ve never had a slip of the tongue and said something the wrong way and taken out of context?

Are you so perfect that you never make mistakes?

It doesn’t matter what “side” it was, we’re all human. As the saying goes “To err is human, to forgive divine”.
If I was a public figure getting payed millions to sell movie tickets you can bet your behind I wouldn’t make the mistake she did.

This is basic stuff you learn when you are young. Never talk religion or politics.

It’s just selfish and petty of her to do so.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
I think you're not getting the concept of people not caring about celebrities' social/political views. That goes both ways. I wish Gina Carano was still in The Mandalorian and still had the planned spin-off. I watch Signs because I think it's a great movie regardless of what Mel Gibson says. That's how it works.
Gina is a great example of the double standards we (collectively) use to support/condemn people based on our shared beliefs, those of us upset by Zeglers remarks likely defended Carano and those who are defending Zegler remarks were likely upset by Caranos.

Team mentality. When my hockey team makes a big hit it’s clean, when your team makes the same hit it’s dirty. 🤷

I think it’s important to note that those political remarks (which were indeed inappropriate and certainly warranted an apology) postdated the anti-Zegler rage that some of us here found baffling and disconcerting. Certain people were already very, very angry with her long before she uttered anything political—and all because she made some flippant remarks about an old film.

Agree, it’s another death by a thousand cuts example, x% were bothered by the casting choice before she ever said a word, another x% were bothered by her remarks, another x% were bothered by her politics, another x% were bothered by her war stance… one thing alone likely doesn’t move the needle, add them all together and there’s now a large % who won’t give the movie a chance.

I can’t sympathize with people who hate iman vellani especially. She’s a national treasure and must be protected.

I don’t know about national treasure but she is extremely likable, very talented, and was well cast. (In my defense I can’t think of anyone I’d call a national treasure 🤔)
 

Trauma

Well-Known Member
Gina is a great example of the double standards we (collectively) use to support/condemn people based on our shared beliefs, those of us upset by Zeglers remarks likely defended Carano and those who are defending Zegler remarks were likely upset by Caranos.

Team mentality. When my hockey team makes a big hit it’s clean, when your team makes the same hit it’s dirty. 🤷



Agree, it’s another death by a thousand cuts example, x% were bothered by the casting choice before she ever said a word, another x% were bothered by her remarks, another x% were bothered by her politics, another x% were bothered by her war stance… one thing alone likely doesn’t move the needle, add them all together and there’s now a large % who won’t give the movie a chance.



I don’t know about national treasure but she is extremely likable, very talented, and was well cast. (In my defense I can’t think of anyone I’d call a national treasure 🤔)
How is it a double standard? They both made comments they shouldn’t have. I wish Gina would shut her mouth also with her political views.

That being said one situation was certainly handled differently than the other.

After the Carano firing of course people where going to be all over Zegler.

Why doesn’t Disney just make a one size fits all rule.
If you are on the payroll you are not allowed to make political comments or you will be terminated.

Seems simple enough.

I know people who manage financial accounts who are not allowed to even participate in social media.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
How is it a double standard? They both made comments they shouldn’t have. I wish Gina would shut her mouth also with her political views.

That being said one situation was certainly handled differently than the other.

After the Carano firing of course people where going to be all over Zegler.

Why doesn’t Disney just make a one size fits all rule.
If you are on the payroll you are not allowed to make political comments or you will be terminated.

Seem simple enough.

I know people who manage financial accounts who are not allowed to even participate in social media.
The double standard is we are much more likely to forgive someone we agree with, much less likely to forgive someone we disagree with.

That’s true of fans and companies, Pedro Pascal made similarly inflammatory comments but since his were aligned with Hollywoods beliefs he’s still on the payroll. He wasn’t asked to take sensitivity classes, etc, just issue a nothing apology so they could cast him in more Disney roles.
 

Casper Gutman

Well-Known Member
It’s so weird that so many folks wants to forget how this issue began no matter how often they’re reminded.

It seems to me the people who deserve the harshest criticism here are the mob of people who attacked an actress because of her race, not the actress who said something unwise after months of relentless attacks.
 

DisneyWarrior27

Well-Known Member
With that number there is no hope whatsoever for revival of hand drawn animation.
Maybe if mainstream studios would market them actively and better, they wouldn’t fail.

Hopefully, Sony will be able to have some balls to distribute and actively and better market Fixed if they choose to distribute that movie on their own after the success of One Of Them Days.
 

Trauma

Well-Known Member
Carano was asked by Disney to apologise and refused (as was her right). Had she said sorry, her situation would presumably have been handled differently.
Why allow it to happen to begin with? It’s certainly not helping anything.

There are many jobs that pay far less that you are not allowed to speak about certain subjects.
 

LittleBuford

Well-Known Member
The double standard is we are much more likely to forgive someone we agree with, much less likely to forgive someone we disagree with.

That’s true of fans and companies, Pedro Pascal made similarly inflammatory comments but since his were aligned with Hollywoods beliefs he’s still on the payroll. He wasn’t asked to take sensitivity classes, etc, just issue a nothing apology so they could cast him in more Disney roles.
But the point is that Carano could also have remained on the Disney payroll had she issued a similar “nothing apology”. People keep holding her up as proof of Disney’s double standards while ignoring the fact that she knowingly chose to make herself an exception.
 

MagicMouseFan

Well-Known Member
I don’t particularly care about Zegler, but I do care about the toxic bullying, normalized hatred, bad faith victimhood, and gleeful cruelty that drive this story and defines the country at the moment.
I have nothing against Zegler, like I said, it was definitely a missed opportunity for a better approach.
Country is still the same as it was in 2000, 2010,
2020.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
But the point is that Carano could also have remained on the Disney payroll had she issues a similar “nothing apology”. People keep holding her up as proof of Disney’s double standards while ignoring the fact that she knowingly chose to make herself an exception.
Apparently not since that’s part of her lawsuit….

She also said the company demanded she put out an apology, which she described as “one of those statements that almost makes you roll your eyes.” Carano offered to write her own apology which reportedly underwent several edits before the effort was ultimately abandoned.
 

Trauma

Well-Known Member
It’s so weird that so many folks wants to forget how this issue began no matter how often they’re reminded.

It seems to me the people who deserve the harshest criticism here are the mob of people who attacked an actress because of her race, not the actress who said something unwise after months of relentless attacks.
The same thing is happening right now with Potter.

Celebrities know what going to happen if they take a role like this.

Snape is very clearly described in the books many times.

Not to mention that Harry doesn’t trust him just because of how he looks.

How does that sound now?

Hey look a black professor, I certainly don’t trust him!
 

Vegas Disney Fan

Well-Known Member
That’s a separate debate. I myself am not in favour of muzzling celebrities. To my mind, they have just as much right to speak out as anyone else.
I agree in their personal life but it gets far more tricky when they are representing their employer, we have a very strict press policy where I work, everyone knows better than to comment on anything to the press, even praising your employer can get you fired if you’re discussing company business without permission.
 

LittleBuford

Well-Known Member
Apparently not since that’s part of her lawsuit….

She also said the company demanded she put out an apology, which she described as “one of those statements that almost makes you roll your eyes.” Carano offered to write her own apology which reportedly underwent several edits before the effort was ultimately abandoned.
I don’t understand what “apparently not” refers to. She was asked to put out a company-approved apology and refused. Is that not the case, even by her own telling?
 

LittleBuford

Well-Known Member
I agree in their personal life but it gets far more tricky when they are representing their employer, we have a very strict press policy where I work, everyone knows better than to comment on anything to the press, even praising your employer can get you fired if you’re discussing company business without permission.
Agreed, but I don’t think either Carano or Zegler was claiming to represent Disney when they issued their statements.
 

Trauma

Well-Known Member
I agree in their personal life but it gets far more tricky when they are representing their employer, we have a very strict press policy where I work, everyone knows better than to comment on anything to the press, even praising your employer can get you fired if you’re discussing company business without permission.
Exactly these type of policy’s are common in many workplaces. So average people can’t speak out, but celebrities who are getting payed far more can say whatever they want ?
 

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