Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Disney Irish]

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I don’t know if they would change their opinions but I don’t need nor want them to this isn’t about defending Disney this is about a battle against misinformation and the worst of human traits

In the olden days before the internet became what is it now, people would actually have to form opinions for themselves based on actually becoming informed. It was only the uneducated that would form opinions based on others. Now unfortunately we become a world of the uninformed watching the latest 10 second clip thinking we're now informed.

As the old saying goes, with great power comes great responsibility, this is even more true when it comes to the vast amount of misinformation out there on social media.

 

[Disney Irish]

It’s only misinformation if they’re lying though, they are giving personal opinions, they aren’t news channels, they aren’t factual channels, they are entertainment.

If we stopped watching everything people disagree with, and therefore feel is misinformation, propaganda, etc, we couldn’t watch anything, not even Disney.

The problem is too many take those personal opinions as factual news and form their opinions based on it. Long gone are the days when we had actual news forming opinions. All you have to do is look at the recent Mackie clip taken out of context as an example, it wasn't real news, it was all opinion based. And people form their opinion based on that, even if it was a misinformed opinion.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

My opinion is that many people unfortunately let these channels make decisions for them based on "biased" information. And if they didn't exist many would give whatever it is a chance, and many would end up actually liking it or at the very least leave with a better understanding of something instead of forming an uninformed opinion about something they know nothing about.

That’s actually not the case
Media is consumed fo reinforce opinions…not form them

And the air gets pushed back into the “theory” of the network…Incorrectly

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

The problem is too many take those personal opinions as factual news and form their opinions based on it. Long gone are the days when we had actual news forming opinions. All you have to do is look at the recent Mackie clip taken out of context as an example, it wasn't real news, it was all opinion based. And people form their opinion based on that, even if it was a misinformed opinion.

I’m sure there’s some that take it as gospel but my guess is it’s a very small number, Critical Drinker had a pretty bad review last week of Capt4 but the movies doing great, reviews are positive, and it’s exceeding expectations… his review may keep a couple butts at home but I suspect his actual influence is tiny, the majority aren’t watching him for a factual review, they’re watching his channel to be entertained and get his snarky take.

If I want a serious, neutral, review I go to sites like “Sean Chandler talks about” because he goes in depth with positives, negatives, pros, cons… an actual movie review rather than social commentary about it. He predicted Cap4 around $700 million, which is inline with my prediction.

 

[Disney Irish]

That’s action not the case
Media is consumed fo reinforce opinions…not form them

And the air gets pushed back into the “theory” of the network…Incorrectly

And you assume these people watch other more well vetted sources besides the Tubers and TikTok's, and that is something that cannot be assumed.

We come from a different generations (you being even a different generation from me) where we would go to multiple sources to verify information before fully forming an opinion. That just doesn't happen the same way anymore. I have long conversations with people in real life that just get their information from the latest 30 second clip. We as a society have become far to reliant on social media for information.

 

[Disney Irish]

I’m sure there’s some that take it as gospel but my guess is it’s a very small number, Critical Drinker had a pretty bad review last week of Capt4 but the movies doing great, reviews are positive, and it’s exceeding expectations… his review may keep a couple butts at home but I suspect his actual influence is tiny, the majority aren’t watching him for a factual review, they’re watching his channel to be entertained and get his snarky take.

If I want a serious, neutral, review I go to sites like “Sean Chandler talks about” because he goes in depth with positives, negatives, pros, cons… an actual movie review rather than social commentary about it. He predicted Cap4 around $700 million, which is inline with my prediction.

I don't personally think Critical Drinker has an impact on many people, but that channel is just one of many. So that is not to say that the totality of social media doesn't have an impact, it does, there are far more people out there posting things similar to Critical Drinker than there are like Sean Chandler, and that doesn't even count all the people that clip things from those channels and share them on social media, ie its a cascading effect. So its not about one single channel, its about the thousands of others like them that spread the same opinion, and that is what people use to form their opinions. Again long gone are the days when in general people actually formed opinions for themselves and not based on some clip from social media, whether positive or negative.

 

[Agent H]

I’m sure there’s some that take it as gospel but my guess is it’s a very small number, Critical Drinker had a pretty bad review last week of Capt4 but the movies doing great, reviews are positive, and it’s exceeding expectations… his review may keep a couple butts at home but I suspect his actual influence is tiny, the majority aren’t watching him for a factual review, they’re watching his channel to be entertained and get his snarky take.

If I want a serious, neutral, review I go to sites like “Sean Chandler talks about” because he goes in depth with positives, negatives, pros, cons… an actual movie review rather than social commentary about it. He predicted Cap4 around $700 million, which is inline with my prediction.

Well I appreciate your opinion but from my perspective there are tons of people on YouTube who take him and other grifters seriously the people who do trust him to give an honest review of a film imo aren’t the best at critical thinking sidenote even if he was a perfectly normal YouTuber I still couldn’t watch him his voice sounds like nails on a chalkboard

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

And you assume these people watch other more well vetted sources besides the Tubers and TikTok's, and that is something that cannot be assumed.

We come from a different generations (you being even a different generation from me) where we would go to multiple sources to verify information before fully forming an opinion. That just doesn't happen the same way anymore. I have long conversations with people in real life that just get their information from the latest 30 second clip. We as a society have become far to reliant on social media for information.

You’re off the map.

I’m making no such assertion

I’m parroting the media studies that have increased exponentially over the last 10 years indicating what consumption patterns are

Basically…if you watch a review of movie and walk away hating it without seeing it…you were predisposed to hate it.

This is about movies…which is ultimately trivial…but the media effect is really affecting serious things with dire consequences across the board as well.

One of my biggest - of many - pet peeves around here is when people claim their opinion as no different than fact.
For instance “I think the parks are better than ever/great value”
That limits what the brain is meant to do…process data and make reasonable conclusions. Those assertions can’t be back up on a fact based analysis. Emotionally? - maybe. But not based on the actual situation.

Anyway…I don’t think review bombing is relevant…because the audience is showing up to the reviews with match to light it anyway

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Um, I was deep involved in MANY of those discussions. I know how ugly it got, and how much the Mods had to clean up, thank you very much.

So no I don't think it was kind by any means. What I know is untrue, and this is 100% on you, is your claim that posters were claiming this stuff was "bred" here, which IS NOT what happened at all, ever.


Sure, backtrack now. LMAO

This is what you said -



And that is does not even come close to mean the same thing as what I posted, so maybe you misspoke here and now trying to backtrack.


Least of all you, so don't play like you are correct here because you aren't. No one claimed the Anti-Disney stuff was "bred" here, ever. And this is why I call out this crap, because you like to play gatekeeper.

You didn’t read/follow again…and wasted 10 minutes of your time responding to what you had cooked up in your head.

It’s a talent…for sure (I think?…maybe?)

 

[Disney Irish]

You’re off the map.

I’m making no such assertion

I’m parroting the media studies that have increased exponentially over the last 10 years indicating what consumption patterns are

Basically…if you watch a review of movie and walk away hating it without seeing it…you were predisposed to hate it.

This is about movies…which is ultimately trivial…but the media effect is really affecting serious things with dire consequences across the board as well.

One of my biggest - of many - pet peeves around here is when people claim their opinion as no different than fact.
For instance “I think the parks are better than ever/great value”
That limits what the brain is meant to do…process data and make reasonable conclusions. Those assertions can’t be back up on a fact based analysis. Emotionally? - maybe. But not based on the actual situation.

Anyway…I don’t think review bombing is relevant…because the audience is showing up to the reviews with match to light it anyway

I'm not "off the map", if you think its having an effect on serious things but not on movies, I think you don't really understand how people actually consume things. They don't just all of a sudden stop paying attention to social media just because its about a movie, but then pay attention only when its something serious. Human don't work that way, sorry. And while some may be predisposed to not like something they found a similar opinion of on social media, the algorithms tend to work that way creating that echo chamber, prior to the internet most people would give a such a movie a chance before just outright saying no. So yes there is an impact, even if you don't believe it.

 

[Disney Irish]

You didn’t read/follow again…and wasted 10 minutes of your time responding to what you had cooked up in your head.

It’s a talent…for sure (I think?…maybe?)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, *takes a breath*, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That is your talent not mine. But thank you for the laugh, I needed it.

 

[LittleBuford]

I was thinking the same, I had the impression, and have responded to, a few people who have claimed the rage network has severely impacted the box office of movies.

Has anyone claimed that “the ‘anti Disney conspiracy’ is bred here”? I honestly can’t recall a single person saying that our discussions in the forum have an impact on the wider world, much less that they’re responsible for Disney’s box-office troubles. Can you?

 

[Agent H]

That’s actually not the case
Media is consumed fo reinforce opinions…not form them

And the air gets pushed back into the “theory” of the network…Incorrectly

I’m sorry but this may be one of the silliest things you’ve ever said on here if you’re watching a movie for the sake of reinforcing an existing opinion than you are just as bad at watching movies as cinemasins

 

[Disney Irish]

I’m sorry but this may be one of the silliest things you’ve ever said on here if you’re watching a movie for the sake of reinforcing an existing opinion than you are just as bad at watching movies as cinemasins

In truth, I actually like Cinemasins, I think their stuff is funny.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Man, it’s insane that PR is a billion dollar business, since influencing people is impossible. And all those history books showing concrete examples of the overwhelming power of propaganda must be fake. And both US parties were probably trying to ban Tik Tok just because they were bored. Oh, and the attacks on information sources that have defined US politics for almost a decade are probably just a coincidence.

Or maybe this board is just full of exceptional people whose opinions are completely immune to outside influence - gods among humanity. Basic human qualities like Tribalism are just alien to the posters here. Why, I bet if we compared the views of posters here today to their views in, say, 2015, they would be EXACTLY the same.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

So here’s the thing with me and cinemasins I used to think they were funny almost embarrassingly so then I found the birdmans everything wrong with cinemasins and started to hate them for ruining film criticism (oh poor innocent 12 year old me compared to some people there practically angels) recently I watched the video on the lion king 1 and a half and still found it funny I still watch the birdman more but the videos aren’t as annoying as I remember ( I still think he’s a weirdo and bad at watching movies though)

That’s your second reference to Birdman, sounds like he has influenced your choices.

I’ve never heard of him but you’re starting to make me question how much influence influencers actually have.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

I think it’s done well considering it has The Little Mermaid Syndrome. “Not my cap” is all over social media, for…reasons.

Someone suggested it might hit $700m. The not my cappers could easily be the “missing” $300m.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Has anyone claimed that “the ‘anti Disney conspiracy’ is bred here”? I honestly can’t recall a single person saying that our discussions in the forum have an impact on the wider world, much less that they’re responsible for Disney’s box-office troubles. Can you?

Some people like to think what they are posting is important or has a wider impact beyond the 12 or so people participating. I’m sure it does - there must be a few lurkers who don’t post or like - so, OK, we’re reaching 20 people?

I see trip reports with more “influence.”

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Why, I bet if we compared the views of posters here today to their views in, say, 2015, they would be EXACTLY the same.

I wouldn’t say exactly but I bet on social views, political views, ethical views, etc they would be more or less the same.

Unfortunately the same can’t be said for a lot of people’s views on Disney. I was a 100% duster in 2015, now I’m one of the grumpy old timers complaining about all Disney’s bad decisions.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

P.S. “Flight Risk” is already streaming.