DAK 'Encanto' and 'Indiana Jones'-themed experiences at Animal Kingdom

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lazyboy97o

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BrianLo said:
Even if all those things were true, I really don’t see how attraction overlay projects are that exposed. Particularly Indy, the Muppets show replacement and RnRC.
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They are largely exposed because they are later phases of a larger project. As you know, most cuts of late that people decry as “budget cuts” aren’t reductions in the actual budget but cuts to keep the project on budget. It’s always easier and cheaper to change something that is still on paper.

Overlays also add some risk because there’s a degree of existing infrastructure that can deliver the minimal viable product. In the extreme you could deliver a Tropical Americas with Dinosaur which already isn’t overly tied to geography. Monstropolis isn’t a super distinct setting, Muppter Theater could go largely untouched and just show the two shorts stitched together. While many may not realize that the rethemed attraction is rethemed, the new attraction is the new thing. That’s the real headliner. I’m not making predictions, just highlighting how much room there is to cut back those aspects while still delivering something.

It’s also not just the tariffs. The US already had a labor shortage and there is an explicit desire to reduce the adult population of the country. This does openly include revoking existing work authorizations, visas and even citizenship. That’s just another factor with a direct connection.
 
Casper Gutman

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mattpeto said:
Thanks, I enjoy your posts as well. (and many of Casper's posts too)

If you review his posts he admits that things might be built, but with cuts everywhere. He's definitely on record that Villains Land won't be built. He also thinks that MV3D is being shuttered because of operational costs. There's plenty here that believe that as well.

The fact he's bringing up macro points (tariff's) to support his perspective, makes me think he's rooting for it. If another pandemic happens or we get involved with a World War (God forbid), I could see most of the projects going away too. Macro elements doesn't really make me him right or wrong here IMO.
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You keep strawmanning my position and then walking it back. You claim in one post that my pointing out “cuts everywhere” after projects open would be “moving the goalposts” while offhandedly mentioning in the next that I have frequently posted about the likelihood of cuts, which certainly seems to be setting the goalposts pretty firmly right now.

I genuinely have no idea why you believe that trying to account for “macro” developments is “rooting for” projects to fail. Disney’s management team IS about to change. That’s reality. It is likely we are about to experience a period of pronounced national instability. That’s conjecture, but it’s informed by experience, evidence, expertise, and critical thought. Not accounting for such factors is just posting fantasy.

Your posts are very articulate, but they seem to imagine a Disney corporation that thinks and acts and loves the parks like a fan, that puts some value on its promises, and that is somehow removed from not only its own pattern of past actions but also larger economic and social forces. Closing Muppets years early to save operational costs is completely in line with Disney’s past practices. Let me ask you - how long do you feel Muppets NEEDS to be closed to replace the show? What date SHOULD it reopen? I’d point out that the Bugs to Zootopia conversion seems like it will take a little over a year, so should we expect a Muppets replacement by late 2026 or very early 2027?
 
marni1971

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mattpeto said:
It was also supposed to be a boat ride per @marni1971 at one point and now it leans to an omnimover-like system.
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marni1971 said:
Let me check what I last saw. IIRC it’s not Omni as in the HM sense. If I remember I’ll check when home.
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I’m home. Not an omni but track based. Specifics are sparse but imagine a static load/unload with one or more (or even a group of 4) RVs moving around the attraction, each with 2 rows per vehicle. Separate ADA load. And a betting man might also say 14 distinct show scenes.
 
mattpeto

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Casper Gutman said:
You keep strawmanning my position and then walking it back. You claim in one post that my pointing out “cuts everywhere” after projects open would be “moving the goalposts” while offhandedly mentioning in the next that I have frequently posted about the likelihood of cuts, which certainly seems to be setting the goalposts pretty firmly right now.

I genuinely have no idea why you believe that trying to account for “macro” developments is “rooting for” projects to fail. Disney’s management team IS about to change. That’s reality. It is likely we are about to experience a period of pronounced national instability. That’s conjecture, but it’s informed by experience, evidence, expertise, and critical thought. Not accounting for such factors is just posting fantasy.

Your posts are very articulate, but they seem to imagine a Disney corporation that thinks and acts and loves the parks like a fan, that puts some value on its promises, and that is somehow removed from not only its own pattern of past actions but also larger economic and social forces. Closing Muppets years early to save operational costs is completely in line with Disney’s past practices. Let me ask you - how long do you feel Muppets NEEDS to be closed to replace the show? What date SHOULD it reopen? I’d point out that the Bugs to Zootopia conversion seems like it will take a little over a year, so should we expect a Muppets replacement by late 2026 or very early 2027?
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If Monster Inc. Land opens in a phased approach and the theater show indeed opens first, then I'd give them the benefit of the doubt that they needed the time. Maybe they want to offer something new in 2026, since the cupboard is empty (besides Mando/Grogu on MFSR and potentially RnR Muppets).

I think it's more likely that Muppets courtyard will be a construction zone and they needed to start on it. Closing Mama Melrose a month early might be a sign that they will be full speed ahead.

I guess we'll see.
 
mattpeto

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marni1971 said:
I’m home. Not an omni but track based. Specifics are sparse but imagine a static load/unload with one or more (or even a group of 4) RVs moving around the attraction, each with 2 rows per vehicle. Separate ADA load. And a betting man might also say 14 distinct show scenes.
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Any good comparisons to what we have now?
 
rle4lunch

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marni1971 said:
I’m home. Not an omni but track based. Specifics are sparse but imagine a static load/unload with one or more (or even a group of 4) RVs moving around the attraction, each with 2 rows per vehicle. Separate ADA load. And a betting man might also say 14 distinct show scenes.
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I could see something like this as an upgrade for SSE RVs..
 
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lazyboy97o

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mattpeto said:
If Monster Inc. Land opens in a phased approach and the theater show indeed opens first, then I'd give them the benefit of the doubt that they needed the time.
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How is that evidence that the time was needed?

mattpeto said:
I think it's more likely that Muppets courtyard will be a construction zone and they needed to start on it. Closing Mama Melrose a month early might be a sign that they will be full speed ahead.
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Why though? What about the shown intent suggests a scope of work similar in need to the work in the parking lot?
 
EagleScout610

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From the site we don't day, heavy demolition equipment is on site. I imagine we'll start seeing them ripping into the land properly now:
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mattpeto

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lazyboy97o said:
How is that evidence that the time was needed?


Why though? What about the shown intent suggests a scope of work similar in need to the work in the parking lot?
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For one, I think the onus should be on you and others to provide evidence they are cutting operational expenses by closing MV3D without seeing any work that's happening since that's your claim.

Let's see what the area looks like later this summer.

And yes if the Monsters Inc theater show opens before the Doorcoaster, maybe it's because they wanted to open the area sooner overall.
 
Ayla

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marni1971 said:
I’m home. Not an omni but track based. Specifics are sparse but imagine a static load/unload with one or more (or even a group of 4) RVs moving around the attraction, each with 2 rows per vehicle. Separate ADA load. And a betting man might also say 14 distinct show scenes.
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So similar to Pooh? I’m having a hard time picturing anything else.
 

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