Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Disney Irish]

Is a Snow White trailer playing before Moana 2?

It wasn't at my showing at my theater.

 

[Disney Irish]

Indeed. cf. Agatha All Along

Disney has the film rights to all other Baum books, something they picked up in 50s and maintained. Its the reason why no one has ever done a follow-up to the original but Disney when they did Return to Oz in the 80s.

 

[DisneyWarrior27]

Is a Snow White trailer playing before Moana 2?

There was before my IMAX opening night show last night and before my RealD 3D showing this morning. I’ll be seeing it in Dolby in under an hour and find out if it’s there again.

 

[Miss Rori]

Disney has the film rights to all other Baum books, something they picked up in 50s and maintained. Its the reason why no one has ever done a follow-up to the original but Disney when they did Return to Oz in the 80s.

This isn't really relevant anymore, as all 14 Baum-penned Oz novels are now public domain, as are some of the successor novels by Ruth Plumly Thompson. (In fact, there are a surprising number of low-budget Oz-inspired movies, miniseries, and TV shows out there that just don't get talked up.) So the main issue Disney would have is that it wouldn't be able to use copyrighted material from the MGM film due to current rights holder WB's tight hold on the property, and for a lot of people if not most, that's their idea of Oz. Universal has the upper hand here if they want to incorporate Wicked material, which is copyrighted, into their parks. (Actually, they already did for a while at the Japanese park, which featured a stage show featuring highlights from the first act about a decade ago!)

 

[Disney Irish]

This isn't really relevant anymore, as all 14 Baum-penned Oz novels are now public domain, as are some of the successor novels by Ruth Plumly Thompson. (In fact, there are a surprising number of low-budget Oz-inspired movies, miniseries, and TV shows out there that just don't get talked up.) So the main issue Disney would have is that it wouldn't be able to use copyrighted material from the MGM film due to current rights holder WB's tight hold on the property, and for a lot of people if not most, that's their idea of Oz. Universal has the upper hand here if they want to incorporate Wicked material, which is copyrighted, into their parks. (Actually, they already did for a while at the Japanese park, which featured a stage show featuring highlights from the first act about a decade ago!)

Be that as it may regarding the books being in public domain, once again Disney would not need ANYTHING from the original movie as their Oz movies have very little to do with it outside of a couple iconic props which wouldn't be needed in this case. Disney built their own version of Oz in both Return to Oz from the 80s and in Oz Great and Powerful from 2013. So there is enough from those two movies that they could build their own land without ever needing anything from the original movie. Again there was a rumor of them considering it back in 2013 for Disneyland.

And speaking of public domain, the original movie makes its way to public domain in 10 years so all of that concern that people have is moot after that point anyways.

 

[DKampy]

Totally forgot (until catching the trailer again last night) that A Complete Unknown is also a Searchlight release. With Chalamet's popularity and the recent success of musician biopics that could end up doing pretty well for Disney, though it's carrying an R rating.

It will be interesting to see how A complete Unknown does as it won’t have all the holiday tentpoles to compete with…. I could see Chalamet getting a best actor nod if he nails Dylan(with the little we have seen in the trailer it seems he might)… especially since apparently it is his singing they are using rather than a voice track

 

[BrianLo]

Chee Hoo Mania At The Box Office: ‘Moana 2’ $225M+ 5-Day Opening Is Best 5-Day & Thanksgiving Ever; ‘Wicked’ Wows $118M+ & ‘Gladiator II’ $44M+ – Monday Update

'Moana 2' 5-day opening posts a Thanksgiving record and overall 5-day opening at $225.2M. 'Wicked' is the highest grossing Broadway musical movie at $263.1M.

deadline.com

Starting to call a 170+M five day (Frozen 2 was 125M); another case of the first 24H trailer views actually indexing to opening weekends.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Chee Hoo Mania At The Box Office: ‘Moana 2’ $225M+ 5-Day Opening Is Best 5-Day & Thanksgiving Ever; ‘Wicked’ Wows $118M+ & ‘Gladiator II’ $44M+ – Monday Update

'Moana 2' 5-day opening posts a Thanksgiving record and overall 5-day opening at $225.2M. 'Wicked' is the highest grossing Broadway musical movie at $263.1M.

deadline.com

Starting to call a 170+M five day (Frozen 2 was 125M); another case of the first 24H trailer views actually indexing to opening weekends.

I feel like I said something about the trailer views now being one of our best indicators (not perfect of course …)

 

[Jedijax719]

M2 is looking at topping $200 million domestically (probably closer to $220-$230million) for the 5-day holiday. While it won't surpass Inside out 2, M2 should end up over $500 million domestic and should easily reach $1 billion world wide.

 

[DisneyWarrior27]

M2 is looking at topping $200 million domestically (probably closer to $220-$230million) for the 5-day holiday. While it won't surpass Inside out 2, M2 should end up over $500 million domestic and should easily reach $1 billion world wide.

Which is good news, potentially, for turning Tiana’s Disney+ series into The Princess and the Frog 2 for movie theaters, though hopefully for a Thanksgiving 2029 release so they don’t rush it and give it the time to make it hand-drawn animated.

I mean if Disney can turn Moana 2, live-action Lilo & Stitch, Freakier Friday, The Princess Diaries 3, and The Mandalorian & Gorgu, and Armor Wars into theatrical releases, the same should be said for Tiana, too.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

Disney would not need ANYTHING from the original movie as their Oz movies have very little to do with it outside of a couple iconic props which wouldn't be needed in this case. Disney built their own version of Oz in both Return to Oz from the 80s and in Oz Great and Powerful from 2013.

I’m just saying: neither of which had anywhere near the impact of Wicked. If Wicked created new stuff, people would go with it. When Disney created new stuff, people longed for the old stuff, because some itch wasn’t being scratched. It was like the Star Wars prequels (to me.) The best parts were missing.

Replacing Judy Garland would be daunting. I don’t think anyone wants to touch remaking the original to reset the series.

If Disney were to create anything related to Oz, people will come with expectations of Luke, Leia, and Han - I mean, Dorothy & friends. The land was cool, but it was the characters we loved most.

Wicked found the magic. The Great Oz film was enjoyable, but not…shall we say, perennial, as is the original.

It’s not so easy to make something people love.

Disney loses this round, IMO.

 

[Disney Irish]

I’m just saying: neither of which had anywhere near the impact of Wicked. If Wicked created new stuff, people would go with it. When Disney created new stuff, people longed for the old stuff, because some itch wasn’t being scratched. It was like the Star Wars prequels (to me.) The best parts were missing.

Replacing Judy Garland would be daunting. I don’t think anyone wants to touch remaking the original to reset the series.

If Disney were to create anything related to Oz, people will come with expectations of Luke, Leia, and Han - I mean, Dorothy & friends. The land was cool, but it was the characters we loved most.

Wicked found the magic. The Great Oz film was enjoyable, but not…shall we say, perennial, as is the original.

It’s not so easy to make something people love.

Disney loses this round, IMO.

We’re talking about a land in a theme park. So I don’t see how one would come with expectations of having specific characters and the other wouldn’t. If one has that expectation so would the other in my opinion, as the general public isn’t going to get into the weeds about the differences between the source material, they’ll just see Oz.

 

[DisneyWarrior27]

Moana 2’s CinemaScore is an A-: https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/s/xwhJeyzaBj.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

We’re talking about a land in a theme park. So I don’t see how one would come with expectations of having specific characters and the other wouldn’t. If one has that expectation so would the other in my opinion, as the general public isn’t going to get into the weeds about the differences between the source material, they’ll just see Oz.

Sorry, thought it was about movies.

As we know, 1939 was well-represented in TGMR. That’s gone.

The idea of “generic Oz” sounds almost as bad as “Generic Space” a la Galaxy’s Edge. Relating it to Disney’s Oz is about the same, I think.

If you don’t have access to the copyrights for the source material, you’re not really giving the people what they want, so don’t bother.You would have to create a masterpiece to make it work.

 

[Disney Irish]

Sorry, thought it was about movies.

As we know, 1939 was well-represented in TGMR. That’s gone.

The idea of “generic Oz” sounds almost as bad as “Generic Space” a la Galaxy’s Edge. Relating it to Disney’s Oz is about the same, I think.

If you don’t have access to the copyrights for the source material, you’re not really giving the people what they want, so don’t bother.You would have to create a masterpiece to make it work.

Dunno, venturing through the Land of Oz with the Emerald City being the “weenie” would be interesting to me, and I would think most people.

 

[Tha Realest]

Dunno, venturing through the Land of Oz with the Emerald City being the “weenie” would be interesting to me, and I would think most people.

Maybe Disney’s third time grappling with the Oz material will be its first true success.

Anything Disney does IRT Oz will be viewed (likely poorly) as compared to the iconic 1939 film and the almost as iconic Wicked.

 

[Disney Analyst]

 

[Disney Irish]

Maybe Disney’s third time grappling with the Oz material will be its first true success.

Anything Disney does IRT Oz will be viewed (likely poorly) as compared to the iconic 1939 film and the almost as iconic Wicked.

Once again this discussion was about making lands in a theme park NOT movies. And it all started because a poster jokingly asked if it was too late for Uni to add a Wicked land into Epic Universe, and I joked back about how Disney can add their own Oz land and they can have competing Oz lands. You guys have turned this into a whole thing about the movies which it was never about.

Oz The Great and Powerful, despite mixed reviews was seen as a commercial success earning almost $500M WW. So it already has a success with the material, it just wasn't successful "enough" for Disney at the time which is why they never continued with it.

 

[Ghost93]

Oz The Great and Powerful, despite mixed reviews was seen as a commercial success earning almost $500M WW. So it already has a success with the material, it just wasn't successful "enough" for Disney at the time which is why they never continued with it.

Oz the Great and Powerful had some good ideas and stunning visuals, but the TERRIBLE performances from James Franco and Mila Kunis destroyed the whole thing. Kunis can be a good actress, but she was miscast, whereas Franco simply didn't even seem like he was trying.

 

[Disney Irish]

Oz the Great and Powerful had some good ideas and stunning visuals, but the TERRIBLE performances from James Franco and Mila Kunis destroyed the whole thing. Kunis can be a good actress, but she was miscast, whereas Franco simply didn't even seem like he was trying.

And that may be, I wasn’t commenting on its quality as a film, but it was still seen as a commercial success due to it earning almost $500M WW. Many a movie that had flat performances by its cast go on to be commercial successes at the box office, this happens to be one of them.