MK Tiana's Bayou Adventure - latest details and construction progress

[Disney Analyst]

You can roll your eyes, but are girls heading to Bibbidy Bobbidy Bootique more likely to seek out the "princess dress" or a Pith Helmet? My experience with young kids, they are going to be drawn to the frilly pretty thing.

Best news is… they can still do that, and then see Tiana in the parks in her gown, and then go and ride Tiana’s ride and have the best time ever!!

Oh my god, the kids are winning!

 

[LittleBuford]

I’m sure little girls will cope just fine seeing Tiana in a different sparkly dress from the one she got married in.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

There is no such thing as objectivity in art and entertainment. It isn't possible to be anything other than subjective in these mediums.

Ehhh...I can assure you that From Justin to Kelly (2003) is objectively a terrible movie.

 

[Professortango1]

Best news is… they can still do that, and then see Tiana in the parks in her gown, and then go and ride Tiana’s ride and have the best time ever!!

Oh my god, the kids are winning!

I never argued that kids wouldn't have a good time. You were the one saying that Tiana can wear whatever because the outfit doesn't dictate her character. And I argued that her Princess status in the eyes of children is tied to the iconography the film established.

I’m sure little girls will cope just fine seeing Tiana in a different sparkly dress from the one she got married in.

I don't think anyone said they wouldn't be able to. Nobody said girls are going to break into tears or look around wondering where Tiana is. No need to Strawman the argument.

 

[LittleBuford]

I don't think anyone said they wouldn't be able to. Nobody said girls are going to break into tears or look around wondering where Tiana is. No need to Strawman the argument.

Then what is the argument exactly? Because it seemed to me you were suggesting that Tiana’s alternative outfits—which, to be clear, will include a pretty dress in the finale—would leave little girls disappointed. And that’s the very point I was responding to (admittedly with some jocular hyperbole).

 

[Professortango1]

I've never complained about book report style rides.

I have. lol But I do so because I think films and theme park attractions are two different artistic mediums and trying to force a theme park attraction to deliver a narrative experience similar to a film has proven to be unsuccessful. I find theme park attractions that focus on an emotional aspect of the material and exploring plot more abstractly to be more compelling.

I suppose we should change "book report ride" to "narrative driven ride" and it might better exemplify the issues folk often take with them.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Then what is the argument exactly? Because it seemed to me you were suggesting that Tiana’s alternative outfits—which, to be clear, will include a pretty dress in the finale—would leave little girls disappointed. And that’s the very point I was responding to (admittedly with some jocular hyperbole).

I concur with your question. I only engaged as the claim seemed to be that the lack of her princess gown from the movie seemingly meant no one would know she is a princess, or results in some sort of failing of the ride.

My only point was that a princess is far more than an outfit, which can easily be explained to a child if they ask their parents.

 

[Professortango1]

Then what is the argument exactly? Because it seemed to me you were suggesting that Tiana’s alternative outfits—which, to be clear, will include a pretty dress in the finale—would leave little girls disappointed. And that’s the very point I was responding to (admittedly with some jocular hyperbole).

Someone else was making the argument that Tiana not being seen in either iconic dress in the finale was a miss for the Princess angle. Another poster then said her outfit doesn't matter as she's still a princess in the world of the character, no matter what she wears. I was simply responding to that point that her princess allure is tied to iconography rather than any aspect of her character. She's not living in a castle or acting "like a princess" in a fantasy aspect. It is the dresses she wears when mistaken for a princess and at the end when she becomes a princess that cement her as a princess in the eyes of many consumers.

I don't think her dress is SUPER important. But I was in disagreement that it isn't important at all, and that's why I responded as I feel, based off the information provided, her dress does hold some importantance in how the character is viewed and remembered by consumers.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Someone else was making the argument that Tiana not being seen in either iconic dress in the finale was a miss for the Princess angle. Another poster then said her outfit doesn't matter as she's still a princess in the world of the character, no matter what she wears. I was simply responding to that point that her princess allure is tied to iconography rather than any aspect of her character. She's not living in a castle or acting "like a princess" in a fantasy aspect. It is the dresses she wears when mistaken for a princess and at the end when she becomes a princess that cement her as a princess in the eyes of many consumers.

I don't think her dress is SUPER important. But I was in disagreement that it isn't important at all, and that's why I responded as I feel, based off the information provided, her dress does hold some importantance in how the character is viewed and remembered by consumers.

Thank you for clarifying your position, I don't fully agree with the potential assessment, but I can understand why you have gotten to it.

 

[Sir_Cliff]

Oh my god, the kids are winning!

For now. Disney has people prowling the parks to monitor when children seem most happy so they can swoop in and replace their fun with more stroller parking.

 

[Professortango1]

Thank you for clarifying your position, I don't fully agree with the potential assessment, but I can understand why you have gotten to it.

Appreciate it!

 

[Bayou]

The TBA sign looks far too modern and clashes with whatever time period/aesthetic the ride is going for.

It is supposed to be "outside" of the world of the ride. It is supposed to stand out. I wish it was more realistic tho. Like real-looking flowers and vines forming the sign and text like Tinker bell's busy buggies in Fantasy Springs.

 

[BrianLo]

I feel old
View attachment 788383
Hope I don’t break my back in the bayou. Maybe they can replace CB(M)J with an Urgent Care if it fails.

I now know how all the Gen X-ers felt when we started rolling into these forums (or equivalents) as teenagers. Our time has come and past.

Like you I'm coming up on 25 years of forums, ugh.

 

[Bayou]

LOL, I'm not saying it needs to look OLD. It just needs to look like a shiny new attraction sign would have in the 1920s, and the motifs, fonts, and colors they've used ain't it, although they'd make a lovely decoration for Party City to sell for $19.99 in its Mardi Gras section.

This is Old Fart Deco instead of Art Deco.

But it's not technically in the world of the ride. Tiana or humans living in 1920 had any part making the sign.

 

[LittleBuford]

Someone else was making the argument that Tiana not being seen in either iconic dress in the finale was a miss for the Princess angle. Another poster then said her outfit doesn't matter as she's still a princess in the world of the character, no matter what she wears. I was simply responding to that point that her princess allure is tied to iconography rather than any aspect of her character. She's not living in a castle or acting "like a princess" in a fantasy aspect. It is the dresses she wears when mistaken for a princess and at the end when she becomes a princess that cement her as a princess in the eyes of many consumers.

I don't think her dress is SUPER important. But I was in disagreement that it isn't important at all, and that's why I responded as I feel, based off the information provided, her dress does hold some importantance in how the character is viewed and remembered by consumers.

Thank you for explaining. Most of the Disney princesses don’t dress or act in a normatively princess-like manner for much of their respective films, so I don’t think their appeal (whether to little girls or others) lies fundamentally in that aspect of their characters, though I acknowledge that Disney merchandise tends to focus on it.

 

[Disney Glimpses]

It's also a little different than say Frozen (where Elsa is dressed like a princess for basically the entire film). Tiana for a huge portion of the film is not dressed that way.

 

[LittleBuford]

I googled it, it's some song from the 90s, idk it either.

Yikes, I missed this earlier! “Some song”?! It’s only one of the best of that decade!

 

[Disney Analyst]

It's also a little different than say Frozen (where Elsa is dressed like a princess for basically the entire film). Tiana for a huge portion of the film is not dressed that way.

We are just lucky they didn't give us Tiana the way she actually is portrayed for the majority of the film. That wouldn't go over well.

 

[Professortango1]

Thank you for explaining. Most of the Disney princesses don’t dress or act in a normatively princess-like manner for much of their respective films, so I don’t think their appeal (whether to little girls or others) lies fundamentally in that aspect of their characters, though I acknowledge that Disney merchandise tends to focus on it.

It all harkens back to when ingenue characters were not given much character beyond being nice and fawning over another beautiful person with a typically higher status. Luckily, writing has improved across the board and Tiana has a lot more character than being "just a princess."

That's why I don't think her not wearing the dress hurts her as a character or storytelling, but I was willing to concede that if viewing Tiana as a "Disney Princess," the new attraction doesn't appear to check that box. All in all, I think the Princess aspect is the least interesting aspect of her character and kind of feels forced considering her goal was just to be a business owner, so I personally don't have a need to be reminded of that aspect of her character.

 

[LittleBuford]

It all harkens back to when ingenue characters were not given much character beyond being nice and fawning over another beautiful person with a typically higher status.

Does “ingenue characters” refer to the early princesses?