MK Tiana's Bayou Adventure - latest details and construction progress

[McMickeyWorld]

 

[mickEblu]

Very well put.
And I'm finding myself defending story when that's not really the heart of what I'm getting at.
I'm more concerned with individual scenes.
Look at the elephant pool scene in Jungle Cruise, the Gorilla's Jeep scene or the totem pole scene - complete with hyena's laughing.
Look at the ballroom scene in Haunted Mansion.
Each scene even works in a still image.
Disney of 'yore really knew how to make each shot in the storyboard if you will - work on its own merit.
We don't get that now.

That’s because the old WED guys came from animation and then passed down their knowledge to the next generation and so forth. I think what we’re seeing now is current imagineers overly concerned with or relying on tech as well as the fact that at some point the knowledge just wasn’t passed down. Or perhaps the knowledge was not respected or absorbed.

 

[Incomudro]

Has anyone said that, though? I think it's more people saying they're not going to declare this a dud compared to Splash based on a few clips and the ride apparently having a different narrative approach before seeing more.

I myself am not declaring it a dud.
And I don't believe it is a dud.
At the very least, it's going to be a very attractive ride with impressive AA's, sets, lighting and tech., in a great log flume.
It's just that what I see in the scene by scene comparisons really sticks out.
That lack of humor and whimsy, as I noted.

 

[Incomudro]

That’s because the old WED guys came from animation and then passed down their knowledge to the next generation and so forth. I think what we’re seeing now is current imagineers overly concerned with or relying on tech as well as the fact that at some point the knowledge just wasn’t passed down. Or perhaps the knowledge was not respected or absorbed.

Exactly.

 

[James Alucobond]

OK, if we’ve gotten to the point where we’re pretending the storytelling in Pirates is equivalent to Frozen Ever After or it’s ilk, the desire to defend Disney has pushed us so far into relativism that discussion becomes meaningless.

They’re fundamentally different animals. One is concerned with creating detailed, atmospheric, explorable vignettes while the other is attempting to recreate a series of snippets from what is essentially a musical stage production. I personally think the former is better because it just feels more appropriate within the constraints of the medium (easier to loop, more things to discover with each re-ride, allows for more character density, etc.), but it’s not necessarily a straightforward question of quality. There are quality examples within both schools, I think.

 

[mickEblu]

Perhaps Disney Animation and WDI need to be working much more closely together on these attractions?

 

[Incomudro]

Perhaps Disney Animation and WDI need to be working much more closely together on these attractions?

Though, I'm afraid Disney animation isn't what it was.

 

[Mr. Sullivan]

Is it really subjective though?

There is no such thing as objectivity in art and entertainment. It isn't possible to be anything other than subjective in these mediums.

 

[Disney Analyst]

So Tiana never appears as Princess? It's so weird they made up this plot with food and species instead of use the story of the movie and Dr Facilier as villain.

She’s a princess through the entire ride. An outfit does not a princess make.

 

[DCBaker]

Here's a quick preview of Li’l Liza Jane:

 

[Incomudro]

There is no such thing as objectivity in art and entertainment. It isn't possible to be anything other than subjective in these mediums.

No, there really IS objectivity.
JAWS vs JAWS IV.
ET vs Mac and Me
Everything in arts and entertainment are not the same 'cept in the eyes and ears of the beholder.
Ever see the "Fruit, fruit, _ _ _ _, _ _ _ _" scene in Black Sails?

 

[Professortango1]

There is no such thing as objectivity in art and entertainment. It isn't possible to be anything other than subjective in these mediums.

I think a general consensus by professionals is enough of an objective truth of a piece of art. We can always disagree, but when 90% of professional critics are saying a film is bad for a variety of cited reasons, it is likely that the film is bad. We can still enjoy it despite those flaws or have a different perspective unique to our own, but I would still call the film a flawed movie objectively.

 

[Professortango1]

She’s a princess through the entire ride. An outfit does not a princess make.

Tell that to a little girl who wants to dress up as a princess. I mean, I can show up to Comic Con in shorts and a Hawaiian shirt and say I'm Tony Stark since he could wear that, but I'm not going to win the Costume Contest or inspire many folks to buy my cosplay merch.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Tell that to a little girl who wants to dress up as a princess. I mean, I can show up to Comic Con in shorts and a Hawaiian shirt and say I'm Tony Stark since he could wear that, but I'm not going to win the Costume Contest or inspire many folks to buy my cosplay merch.

(Insert eye roll)

 

[Coaster Lover]

So Tiana never appears as Princess? It's so weird they made up this plot with food and species instead of use the story of the movie and Dr Facilier as villain.

I thought we were still complaining about Disney making "book report" style rides... have we come full circle and are now back to asking for book report style rides?

 

[Disney Analyst]

I thought we were still complaining about Disney making "book report" style rides... have we come full circle and are now back to asking for book report style rides?

The goal posts are constantly moving, it’s hard to keep up.

 

[Brer Panther]

What exactly is this supposed to be?

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I initially thought this was one of the "Brer Rabbit in the hayloft" signs without Brer Rabbit, but I'm probably wrong.

She's already waiting for her next assignment around a classic WDW ride that she can re-theme into something... else.

Maybe she'll work on the Moana ride they're adding to Adventureland.

and they could have at least brought Naveen to the forefront and not hidden off to the side..he is barely noticeable and if that is all there is of him, its a big mistake.

It really does feel like Naveen is a non-entity in this attraction, doesn't it? What, girls of color deserve representation but guys of color don't?

Baxter, Davis, and older imagineers focused on characters having expressive faces and simplicity of movement for filler characters. The enthusiasm of the gospel chickens on the paddleboat would always make me laugh. The scene felt epic. The new scene looks busy, but not epic. The characters move more, but are less expressive. Instead of riding through a musical finale, we are riding past a jumping party with our friends singing and waving to us.

There's a sense of humor in setting scenes that Disney used to do so well.

Both very good points. There are no funny gags, the kind Marc Davis was so good at, in something like Rise of the Resistance or Mickey's Runaway Railway.

 

[pigglewiggle]

I don't know, but I'm still chuckling at the post that was upset about Tiana looking like a "real woman". Oh, and Disney doesn't care about children because now there is stroller parking where a play ground area once was.

 

[Incomudro]

I thought we were still complaining about Disney making "book report" style rides... have we come full circle and are now back to asking for book report style rides?

I've never complained about book report style rides.

 

[Professortango1]

(Insert eye roll)

You can roll your eyes, but are girls heading to Bibbidy Bobbidy Bootique more likely to seek out the "princess dress" or a Pith Helmet? My experience with young kids, they are going to be drawn to the frilly pretty thing. Iconography is important in fictional characters. Its why we see Indy in his fedora and leather jacket instead of him in a Tux or a T-shirt.