News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

[Starship824]

Tom Sawyer rafts?

They also used to have the swan boats although of course those have been gone for years.

 

[JohnD]

They also used to have the swan boats

And Mike Fink Keel Boats.

 

[MisterPenguin]

And those camels that spit water?

And everywhere one to two hours a day in the Summer!!

 

[HauntedPirate]

And if they expanded capacity with just C and D attractions and no big E ride, they'd be crucified on these boards.

Not that Disney should pay attention to the wailing that would ensue if it were the right thing to do for the parks.

SO many people here have been saying for years that Disney NEEDS C- and D-ticket rides when they open something new to give people something else to do than a headliner. With all due respect, I'm not sure where you pulled that take from.

 

[HauntedPirate]

Not that I have pity, as they're in a mess of their own making, but....

They have a *tight* needle to thread here. They need to add capacity in all four parks, but they need the added capacity to outpace the attendance upticks the expansions are sure to bring. They need ancillary attractions and entertainment to pull people away from the headliners. These are the same things they've been cutting for years now.

Think of how much better EPCOT would be with Cherry Tree Lane and the PLAY pavilion taking a chunk out of the crowd? DHS with its streetmosphere, an additional attraction or two in SWGE plus dining and a show or two? MK with something in the Stitch space, more Main Street entertainment, a fully-functioning day parade and a headlining night parade?

Frustrating.

What Bob & Josh got from all that:

Blah blah blah... headliner headliner headliner... BETTER!

 

[Disstevefan1]

Parts of it, absolutely.

There are grains of truth in the RSR chatter, but from what I hear it isn't a realistic proposal for MK.

I think you are right. I believe they do not plan to increase capacity to MK as Genie+ and ILL and the "fixes" to DAS solves all the capacity problems.

 

[doctornick]

So, on the west side of the park four boat rides -- Jungle Cruise, POTC, Tiana, and a new Moana ride. Aren't the three existing rides, with Tiana opening soon, enough? Let's not forget IASW in Fantasyland.

And so what?

 

[ToTBellHop]

SO many people here have been saying for years that Disney NEEDS C- and D-ticket rides when they open something new to give people something else to do than a headliner. With all due respect, I'm not sure where you pulled that take from.

People were hardly excited for Poppins and still attack Swirling Saucers even though it’s a great flat ride. We all want Flying Carpets in a dumpster.

 

[UNCgolf]

And if they expanded capacity with just C and D attractions and no big E ride, they'd be crucified on these boards.

Not that Disney should pay attention to the wailing that would ensue if it were the right thing to do for the parks.

Look at how much people trash NRJ -- the complaints generally boil down to it not being an E ticket. They mostly relate to things that would hypothetically be great additions, but would increase the scale (and corresponding budget) to at least D+ status if not E.

And that's in a land that has an E!

 

[ChewbaccaYourMum]

Yellow, as mentioned. The red area is preserved land given the types of trees in the area and isn't supposed to be touched (I want to say cypress trees, but I could be completely wrong)

Thank you for that information! That's good to know as I always look at that "unused" land and wondered why they didn't expand the park there. Always seemed like a no brainer, but now I understand why!

 

[doctornick]

People were hardly excited for Poppins and still attack Swirling Saucers even though it’s a great flat ride. We all want Flying Carpets in a dumpster.

Exactly. a lot of complaints about Play! as well.

And JoW is being dumped on too - for various reasons, but among them is that it is a "waste of space" for what it is, such as all the folks who deride it as a "splash pad".

People say that WDW needs lesser attractions but certainly do complain when they are built arguing that Disney should build bigger/better stuff. Granted it isn't always the same folks, but it is certainly out there.

IMHO, what Disney needs to do with build one big headlining E-ticket along with like 3 B/C attractions whenever they are doing a sizeable expansion to any park. The larger ride will provide some "cover" for the lesser attractions which do the heavy lifting of capacity relief.

 

[Ichabod Crane]

Alicia Stella has said she believes Moana is going in Adventureland as a boat ride think mini Splash Mountain.

She also believes Coco is what lies beyond big thunder mountain using that more intense Soarin’ ride system.

I may be misremembering but I think she only mentioned coco as one of the mentioned possibilities for back there not that she specifically believed it to be the case.

 

[JohnD]

Exactly. a lot of complaints about Play! as well.

And JoW is being dumped on too - for various reasons, but along them is that it is a "waste of space" for what it is, like all the folks who deride it as a "splash pad".

People say that WDW needs lesser attractions but certainly do complain when they are built arguing that Disney should build bigger/better stuff. Granted it isn't always the same folks, but it is certainly out there.

IMHO, what Disney needs to do with build one big headlining E-ticket along with like 3 B/C attractions.

I like JOW for what it is. I'm just wondering if it is the reason there is now no longer a water fountain in the same area.

 

[UNCgolf]

Exactly. a lot of complaints about Play! as well.

And JoW is being dumped on too - for various reasons, but along them is that it is a "waste of space" for what it is, like all the folks who deride it as a "splash pad".

People say that WDW needs lesser attractions but certainly do complain when they are built arguing that Disney should build bigger/better stuff. Granted it isn't always the same folks, but it is certainly out there.

IMHO, what Disney needs to do with build one big headlining E-ticket along with like 3 B/C attractions.

I think Play! was fundamentally different from other proposals regarding smaller attractions for a variety of reasons -- for one, it would have likely been a ghost town within a few years because everything inside would have been wildly outdated. I think Disney realized that and that's why they didn't go through with it; it wasn't a good use of money.

 

[James Alucobond]

Look at how much people trash NRJ -- the complaints about it generally boil down to it not being an E ticket. Most of the complaints relate things that would hypothetically be great additions, but would increase the scale (and corresponding budget) to at least D+ status if not E.

And that's in a land that has an E!

I think you could add, like, three super simple limited-motion animatronics along the path to properly build toward the shaman and you’d be good. Something like sleeping viperwolf followed by direhorse drinking from stream followed by hexapede opening and closing its collar.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I think you could add, like, three super simple limited-motion animatronics along the path to properly build toward the shaman and you’d be good. Something like sleeping viperwolf followed by direhorse drinking from stream followed by hexapede opening and closing its collar.

People will never get over the lack of a drop.

 

[PK2]

I mean hey, maybe if they put a Moana boat ride in Adventureland, they can move the Flying Carpets over to there and give it the Kakamora skin from the DAK concept.

 

[UNCgolf]

I think you could add, like, three super simple limited-motion animatronics along the path to properly build toward the shaman and you’d be good. Something like sleeping viperwolf followed by direhorse drinking from stream followed by hexapede opening and closing its collar.

Yeah, something like that would be doable, but I also wonder if a few limited motion animals would actually detract from the attraction -- I think they could potentially take riders out of the experience instead of enhancing it.

I think it's hard to do limited motion animals in a way that's not kind of immediately in your face that they aren't real. A sleeping animal is probably the easiest solution.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

Part of the issue is that Disney seems to have forgotten the art of the mid-range attraction - they have to start delivering quality attractions that land between Journey of Water and Flight of Passage in terms of scope. Right now we mostly get things towards the extremes and have mostly lost the full spectrum of new and satisfying B, C, and D-Tickets.

Alien Swirling Saucers and Cosmic Rewind have their places in the fold, but the disparity between them is too wide for those to be the main levels of attraction we get.

 

[Surferboy567]

So let’s say we do infact get Coco where does that leave Villians? That’s the one I thing I really want to see the light of day.

We all want Flying Carpets in a dumpster.

I’m fine with that, as long as Aladdin gets fitting representation elsewhere. It’s such a great film.

People were hardly excited for Poppins and still attack Swirling Saucers even though it’s a great flat ride.

Poppins is the reason I made an account to talk on these forums. Would have loved cherry tree lane in EPCOT but with a dark ride.