Lightning Lane at Walt Disney World

[Jrb1979]

I personally don't think there is a lot of abuse happening with DAS. What I think is happening is more people are using than they did in the past.

It's due to cost of Genie+ and Genie+ not as flexible for planning.

 

[Jenny72]

I mean, once you start thinking about it, it's very tricky. My elderly relatives can't stand in long lines, especially not in the sun. They also can't get around the park very fast or easily. Pretty much every fourth person in this country has some sensory issue, mental/cognitive health issue, or physical issue that could feasibly merit accommodation. That's partially because we've come to recognize that a lot of people face challenges both visible and invisible.

This is true in a lot of places, not just Disney. I don't envy anyone who has to decide who receives the accommodation and who doesn't, because I think it's fair to say that a lot of people "deserve" it. Ideally, one would want the park to be generally accommodating overall, to make it easier for everyone: friendlier and shorter lines, places to sit/cool down/take a break, etc. It does not feel like that has been the overall goal of management for a while.

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Rides are just one aspect of visiting WDW. I think able-bodied folks forget all the times/ways they have significant advantages at WDW. Moving around WDW is very Darwinian. If you are fast and nimble, you get advantages all day.

Except DAS is not for people who are mobility challenged. If you are mobility challenged and try to get a DAS you will just be told that you can utilize a wheelchair/scooter/etc.

 

[Basil of Baker Street]

I don’t think it would do that. Standby lines generally do not move any faster than LL lines (and often move much slower). If the LL line can accommodate the touchpoint, the standby line could as well.

You might get temporary buildups of guests at the queue entrance at some points (like you do for LL), but those guests would eventually catch up to the rest of the line, and their overall wait time would remain unchanged because the ultimate bottleneck would still be load.

I can't think of a single ride that loads quicker than folks could scan in. If it helps, put the touch point deeper in the attraction

 

[Basil of Baker Street]

Sure, go ahead and increase the standby line wait time by 50%.

How so?

 

[Splash4eva]

Meanwhile we have all these “experts” & “insiders” yet noone can simply answer my simple question of how many DAS users are abusing the system outside of Disney rules & regulations. Silence speaks volumes….

 

[James Alucobond]

Meanwhile we have all these “experts” & “insiders” yet noone can simply answer my simple question of how many DAS users are abusing the system outside of Disney rules & regulations. Silence speaks volumes….

There was a very detailed post just four pages ago that demonstrated how an apparently small percentage of guests are utilizing an inexplicably disproportionate percentage of capacity on popular rides.

 

[Splash4eva]

There was a very detailed post just four pages ago that demonstrated how an apparently small percentage of guests are utilizing an inexplicably disproportionate percentage of capacity on popular rides.

And again how is that DAS users not needing the system… ive already stated i ise DAS legit need it and have ridden the same attraction multiple times in a day. Im not abusing the system im not lying about my needs as i literally tell them why i need it and get approved each and every time. So explain to me again how anyone here has said DAS is getting abused and shown any “proof”. Im an example of playing by every Disney rule and according to your reply im “abusing” the system?
I keep seeing countless people post that people are abusing the system who have no valid reason to use it yet show NO proof to those claims and have gone silent when anyone has asked for any proof they have to make that claim…

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

ive already stated i ise DAS legit need it and have ridden the same attraction multiple times in a day. Im not abusing the system

Riding the same high demand attraction multiple times in a day using DAS probably is abuse in the eyes of many.

 

[Brian]

Riding the same high demand attraction multiple times in a day using DAS probably is abuse in the eyes of many.

Why would some view it that way? If DAS is intended to be a replacement for standby for those who cannot wait in the standby queue, why shouldn't they be able to do the same attraction more than once? Non-disabled guests can get in the standby queue as many times per day as they please.

 

[Splash4eva]

Riding the same high demand attraction multiple times in a day using DAS probably is abuse in the eyes of many.

Now we are moving the goal posts? 1st it was people obtaining DAS that didnt need it. Now people who ride things multiple times which is perfectly allowed by Disney is abusing the system?!? Please explain how so?!? Non DAS users can ride things multiple times but DAS users cant?!? Like i said seems like we are moving goal posts. Either way i have yet to see any hard#s of DAS users that are using the system that are lying t obtain that “privilege”. Silence again speaks volumes bc noone can have any insight or proof of that number or to the extent that is happening…

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

Why would some view it that way? If DAS is intended to be a replacement for standby for those who cannot wait in the standby queue, why shouldn't they be able to do the same attraction more than once? Non-disabled guests can get in the standby queue as many times per day as they please.

Because very few people, including non-disabled guests, can realistically wait in a 2 hour line three times in a day to ride ROTR. Given the TSMM stats from the lawsuit where 3 percent of people were using 30 percent of the ride’s capacity a reasonable fix would be to limit DAS rerides of extremely popular attractions.

 

[Splash4eva]

Why would some view it that way? If DAS is intended to be a replacement for standby for those who cannot wait in the standby queue, why shouldn't they be able to do the same attraction more than once? Non-disabled guests can get in the standby queue as many times per day as they please.

Its not… Not coming at anyone but neither Len or Steve or Anyone for that matter can answer a simple question as to how many people are using DAS that dont qualify for it… all anyone wants to say is DAS usage is high. That does not imply anything is being done wrong by these users… im not naive to think there is some “fraud” happening but not 1 insider can even give a guestimate.

 

[Brian]

Because very few people, including non-disabled guests, can realistically wait in a 2 hour line three times in a day to ride ROTR. Given the TSMM stats from the lawsuit where 3 percent of people were using 30 percent of the ride’s capacity a reasonable fix would be to limit DAS rerides of extremely popular attractions.

What would physically prevent a non-disabled guest from waiting in a two hour line three times in a single day?

 

[Splash4eva]

Because very few people, including non-disabled guests, can realistically wait in a 2 hour line three times in a day to ride ROTR. Given the TSMM stats from the lawsuit where 3 percent of people were using 30 percent of the ride’s capacity a reasonable fix would be to limit DAS rerides of extremely popular attractions.

Again. Explain to me why you or anyone can decide its abuse when Disney clearly allows it?!? This talk started with DAS users abusing the system bc they lied about needing it to now … where we are saying someone rides 7Ds or Rise twice in a day they are abusing the system?!? Come on now

 

[Fido Chuckwagon]

What would physically prevent a non-disabled guest from waiting in a two hour line three times in a single day?

Because life and ability is a spectrum and the average person is not going to be able to wait in a 2 hour line three times in one day? I mean is this really controversial?

 

[Brian]

Its not… Not coming at anyone but neither Len or Steve or Anyone for that matter can answer a simple question as to how many people are using DAS that dont qualify for it… all anyone wants to say is DAS usage is high. That does not imply anything is being done wrong by these users… im not naive to think there is some “fraud” happening but not 1 insider can even give a guestimate.

Well, specific figures are considered proprietary and it's not cool to share that information publicly.

 

[Splash4eva]

What would physically prevent a non-disabled guest from waiting in a two hour line three times in a single day?

Nothing!!! People cant provide any hard facts DAS users are not eligible so now we move the goal posts & redefine “abuse”

 

[Brian]

Because life and ability is a spectrum and the average person is not going to be able to wait in a 2 hour line three times in one day? I mean is this really controversial?

They could if they really wanted to, though. A DAS-eligible guest cannot, so they use DAS.

Again, this all comes down to physical abilities, not convenience.

 

[UNCgolf]

Because life and ability is a spectrum and the average person is not going to be able to wait in a 2 hour line three times in one day? I mean is this really controversial?

There are numerous attractions with long lines, though. Waiting more than once for the same attraction isn't significantly different than doing it multiple times for separate attractions -- Slinky Dog, e.g., sometimes has waits longer than Rise.

Regardless, preventing DAS users from riding an attraction more than once would almost certainly violate the ADA, considering regular guests have no such restriction.