News Reedy Creek Improvement District and the Central Florida Tourism Oversight District

[mmascari]

We have almost 1200 pages of comments with all this hand wringing about this horrible CFTOD, and in reality it has zero effect.

Didn't CFTOD change the tax rate? I seem to remember that, but maybe they just proposed a change.

Even if they didn't. CFTOD certainly changed priorities on what to spend money on and is clearly spending large quantities of money on things those governed by CFTOD would rather not spend money on. With no recourse or accountability to those who pay the tax money being spent.

Maybe you don't consider that spending an impact. But when my tax money is spent and I get no input, I think that's an impact.

 

[wdwmagic]

So, after reading the last few pages, not one instance of the CFTOD getting in the way on how Disney conducts its business. So it has zero effect. We have almost 1200 pages of comments with all this hand wringing about this horrible CFTOD, and in reality it has zero effect. People still go to the parks and spend money. Disney is still doing ongoing projects. ZERO effect. About time people realize there is a lot of hand wringing over what is actually a non issue. Yet we still have law suites with both State and Federal Courts waying in with what will end up costing millions of dollars in legal fees. The only winners here are the attorneys.

Most of the issues that would impact Disney are medium to long-term, such as land usage. Daily operations are not the concern.

 

[lazyboy97o]

So, after reading the last few pages, not one instance of the CFTOD getting in the way on how Disney conducts its business. So it has zero effect. We have almost 1200 pages of comments with all this hand wringing about this horrible CFTOD, and in reality it has zero effect. People still go to the parks and spend money. Disney is still doing ongoing projects. ZERO effect. About time people realize there is a lot of hand wringing over what is actually a non issue. Yet we still have law suites with both State and Federal Courts waying in with what will end up costing millions of dollars in legal fees. The only winners here are the attorneys.

It was already explained to you that the development agreements over which the District is suing interfere with the most powerful and discretionary tool available to the board.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Most of the issues that would impact Disney are medium to long-term, such as land usage. Daily operations are not the concern.

They could be near term if the board is able to change the zoning regulations to require more development review.

 

[castlecake2.0]

The Reedy Creek Fire Department has been officially rebranded today.

What a waste of money remember, this is Disney and other businesses in the district paying for all this nonsense with ZERO say with how funds are being used

 

[MR.Dis]

Didn't CFTOD change the tax rate? I seem to remember that, but maybe they just proposed a change.

Even if they didn't. CFTOD certainly changed priorities on what to spend money on and is clearly spending large quantities of money on things those governed by CFTOD would rather not spend money on. With no recourse or accountability to those who pay the tax money being spent.

Maybe you don't consider that spending an impact. But when my tax money is spent and I get no input, I think that's an impact.

That is just it, not your tax dollars unless you are one of the 500 or so that live in the District. Disney business has NOT been effected at all. Even the most zealous defenders of Disney controling the RCID have to admit this.

 

[mikejs78]

The facts do not support that. Administration changes result in new oversight and new leadership. Many non-political appointees will use transitions as a severance point for multiple reasons, including retirement options, pension calculations, unwillingness to work for a new boss, etc. For example during high level executive administration changes (president, governor, etc) especially when there is a change in party, you see a large number of these separations occur.

Please point to an example in Florida of high turnover of firefighters/emergency responders as the result of a change in administration.

So, after reading the last few pages, not one instance of the CFTOD getting in the way on how Disney conducts its business. So it has zero effect. We have almost 1200 pages of comments with all this hand wringing about this horrible CFTOD, and in reality it has zero effect. People still go to the parks and spend money. Disney is still doing ongoing projects. ZERO effect. About time people realize there is a lot of hand wringing over what is actually a non issue. Yet we still have law suites with both State and Federal Courts waying in with what will end up costing millions of dollars in legal fees. The only winners here are the attorneys.

They significantly reduced the amount of money to be spent on road upkeep, for one...

 

[mmascari]

What a waste of money

Any idea what the rebrand costs?

Chances that it came out of the Firefighter budget or some other district budget?

If paid from the Firefighter budget, how does the cost compare to hours of staff pay? Any value guesses on the rebrand vs using that money for staff hours?

 

[lazyboy97o]

That is just it, not your tax dollars unless you are one of the 500 or so that live in the District. Disney business has NOT been effected at all. Even the most zealous defenders of Disney controling the RCID have to admit this. If you cannot, than quite frankly you are not being honest and letting hate for the current Florida Governor shade your opinion

For the third time, Disney was able to delay the most power tool for impacts which the District is spending significant sums to try to remove.

 

[flynnibus]

Most of the issues that would impact Disney are medium to long-term, such as land usage. Daily operations are not the concern.

No no no. Don't you know it's Thursday, and I haven't been impacted all week. Obviously the most adamant defenders must acknowledge that this means there is no impact at all!

I guess this is why people follow the blinky lights and can't even fathom thinking about what's behind it.

 

[mmascari]

That is just it, not your tax dollars unless you are one of the 500 or so that live in the District. Disney business has NOT been effected at all. Even the most zealous defenders of Disney controling the RCID have to admit this. If you cannot, than quite frankly you are not being honest and letting hate for the current Florida Governor shade your opinion

I didn't say it was my tax dollars. Much like it doesn't impact me either way, I didn't have RCID representation before either.

You asked if there was an impact. Those people that pay taxes to the district were most certainly impacted by the change in spending by the district with no recourse, input, or accountability at all.

Disney being impacted and Disney consumer impact in the district are not the same thing. Even if they still sell all the exact same amount of stuff to visitors, that doesn't mean Disney isn't impacted.

 

[tissandtully]

Daily operations are not the concern.

They did float that idea though.

 

[JohnD]

The Reedy Creek Fire Department has been officially rebranded today.

Okay, fine. They changed it's name. But why change the logo? It was a perfectly good firefighter-prominent logo. Now it's the same orange tree as the district logo.

 

[mkt]

They did float that idea though.

The monorail inspection law was written vaguely enough as to potentially apply to every theme park ride on a rail.

 

[Brian]

It's nothing spectacular, but it's really not that much of a departure from the RCFD logo. Instead of being jumbled and juxtaposed on top of each other in the middle, there are icons on the periphery.

If anything is worthy of criticism, it's the name. District Fire Department sounds like something Dwight Schrute would come up with if he were in charge of picking the name.

 

[wdwmagic]

WDW was open most of the time that Disneyland was forced to remain closed, and that was all thanks to Gov. DeSantis.

One could argue that the Florida reopening was somewhat reckless, and the situation at Disneyland was far more measured. While not ideal for Disney, it was maybe a better option. But that is a different conversation and not for this thread.

 

[tissandtully]

Are you and others “obsessed” with everyone’s hypocrisy or is it a selective obsession with certain people?

I think most people are averse to any type of hypocrisy. But the irony of someone obsessed with a certain closed Disney attraction asking this is not lost on me, so bravo, and thanks for the laugh.

 

[flynnibus]

That's not how the law is written.

No, it's exactly how the law is written.

House Bill 425 (2023) - The Florida Senate

www.flsenate.gov

 

[mkt]

No, it's exactly how the law is written.
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House Bill 425 (2023) - The Florida Senate

www.flsenate.gov

Using that same definition, one could argue that Space Mountain qualifies, since it matches all of those requirements.

The law doesn't specify the purpose of those systems, which is vague enough for a government not acting in good faith to take action.

 

[flynnibus]

Using that same definition, one could argue that Space Mountain qualifies, since it matches all of those requirements.

The law doesn't specify the purpose of those systems, which is vague enough for a government not acting in good faith to take action.

Again... no one is going to confuse Peter Pan, or Space Mountain.. with a 'fixed guideway transportation system' - key phrasing used throughout the legislation.