News Soarin' Over California returning to EPCOT for a limited time

Twirlnhurl

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Around the World is much better, it actually has some (half arsed) transitions rather than lazy jump cuts.
Before I saw Soarin Around the World and Europe in the Air (Busch Gardens Williamsburg 2010-2016), I thought Soarin Over California needed better transitions.

But when I look at two similar rides that did try to do a more linear transition, I think the results are more underwhelming. The file cut edit is better and less distracting than anything less than a perfect linear transition.

We watch movies with cuts all the time and do not find them distracting in those contexts. I think in a Soarin theater, using the editing language of film is usually the best way to do what needs to be done.

If you want linear edits, I think the scope of what you present needs to be perfectly planned out (and almost certainly all-CG animation) like Flight of Passage.
 

doctornick

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Until Soarin around the world came around, I didn’t actually know the attraction at Epcot was Soarin over California. And imagine a lot of other people felt the same, that Soarin was just a great attraction and not a great Californian attraction.
I’m with you there. Pretty much everything in SOC is generic scenes that don’t immediately or exclusively relate to California. I don’t think the first time I rode it I even realized it was all taking place in that state.
 

JohnD

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I’m with you there. Pretty much everything in SOC is generic scenes that don’t immediately or exclusively relate to California. I don’t think the first time I rode it I even realized it was all taking place in that state.
People forget that the original was only known as Soarin until SATW was introduced. Then the original got rebranded to suit DCA.

To me, it will always be Soarin and fits perfectly with The Land.
 

ppete1975

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This is exactly what I want them to do while California is playing. Take the time to make a new film that's just as good or better than the California version.

I think another Around the World would be the best fit for EPCOT, but one just around the US would work pretty well too -- it should also focus more on natural landforms/settings than man-made landmarks, IMO.

I don't think Soarin' over Florida would work very well. It would basically just be beaches and swamps.
Better than soarin over kansaa. Florida also has nasa and orange groves so we can keep the scent. And they have…. Ummmm yeah youre right 🤣
 

christine7257

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Fantastic news! I'm curious, has anyone associated with Imagineering ever formally or informally addressed the distortions in the World film if you're not sitting in the center? Did they decide it wasn't a big deal? Did it catch them by surprise and it was too late to change?
 

Smiley/OCD

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Fantastic news! I'm curious, has anyone associated with Imagineering ever formally or informally addressed the distortions in the World film if you're not sitting in the center? Did they decide it wasn't a big deal? Did it catch them by surprise and it was too late to change?
The story I heard was that the new cameras, process, HD they now use does not bode well with the shape of the screens and it appears distorted. I’m sure I don’t have it 100% accurate, but it’s along those lines…
 

osian

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Fantastic news! I'm curious, has anyone associated with Imagineering ever formally or informally addressed the distortions in the World film if you're not sitting in the center? Did they decide it wasn't a big deal? Did it catch them by surprise and it was too late to change?

There are similar distortions in Over California too (you can see on YT vids) and also in Flight of Passage. I think possibly it's the choice of material that seems to make it worse in Around The World. With Flight of Passage, it's less noticeable because there are only two vertical rows, not three, so the extreme right and left seats aren't as far to the side as with Soarin. Also, it's all CGI of vegetation in a fantasy land and, the action is very fast. There isn't as much of a cue as to what is meant to be vertical. But nothing screams vertical more than the Eiffel Tower!
 
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osian

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The story I heard was that the new cameras, process, HD they now use does not bode well with the shape of the screens and it appears distorted. I’m sure I don’t have it 100% accurate, but it’s along those lines…

No, it's nothing to do with the equipment used. It's all about the shape of the screen. There is only one perfect spot and that's right in the centre. The filming has already taken into account the curvature of the screen in order to project it back with appropriate adjustments but it's only got one focal point. If you were to sit in the centre and draw a straight line (as it appears to you) right in front of you from the top to the bottom of the screen, the line will appear bent to anyone sitting over on the left. Try it with a mixing bowl! Put some sticky tape on the inside, start with a point on the rim furthest away from you, take it down the inside of the bowl, across the base of the bowl then up the other side to the point on the rim closest to you. Now tilt the bowl to your right so you're looking at it from the left side of the bowl and the tape will appear bent. No camera or lens can solve this, the picture would need to be regenerated for each person from their own viewpoint to look perfect from every seat and it would need some screen technology that we haven't got yet so that each person only sees the pciture that was generated for them. It's like a 3D film which shows two images at the same time but with ~90 different pictures shown at the same time rather than 2!
 

Twirlnhurl

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The story I heard was that the new cameras, process, HD they now use does not bode well with the shape of the screens and it appears distorted. I’m sure I don’t have it 100% accurate, but it’s along those lines…
I wold be shocked if that was a surprise. The impact of a curved screen has long been known to cinematographers as it relates to Omnimax-style screens. In fact, the design of the sets and locations used in Back to the Future: The Ride (1992) were famously selected to include more curves and organic shapes because the ride film director understood this effect. (That ride used a similar screen shape, but flipped upside down.)
 

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