Elemental (Pixar - June 2023)

doctornick

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Yeah, not sure how exactly to really push "you need to see this in the theater!"?

Maybe special merch only in the theater (popcorn buckets etc)? Maybe offer a discount on tickets for D+ subscribers if you go see it in theaters?
Well you start by not releasing movies on D+ for at least 6 months if not much longer after the theatrical release. Elemental should be the “new on Disney+ family film released for Christmas/winter break” that they’ve done the past few years.
 

Phroobar

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Well you start by not releasing movies on D+ for at least 6 months if not much longer after the theatrical release. Elemental should be the “new on Disney+ family film released for Christmas/winter break” that they’ve done the past few years.
I don't think that would increase box office. People will still wait an additional six months for a Pixar movie. It just isn't an priority event anymore. This makes me wonder if Wish will fail too. It is very possible. Pixar better redesign Eilo before it's too late.
 

Tha Realest

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The national and industry media is now weighing in late this afternoon on Elemental's financial status.



This headline from the New York Times, "Pixar's Elemental Falls Flat, Adding to Worries About the Brand" mirrors my overall concern about the Pixar brand/studio and its future.

Quick, someone tell those analysts a lot of people will watch it on Disney+ in a few months (which will “cost” Disney tens of millions in revenue it could have captured from licensing, but is instead paying itself)
 

Tha Realest

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I don't think that would increase box office. People will still wait an additional six months for a Pixar movie. It just isn't an priority event anymore. This makes me wonder if Wish will fail too. It is very possible. Pixar better redesign Eilo before it's too late.
Yes. And yes.

But before then Indy and The Marvels will similarly disappoint.
 

TsWade2

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I don't think that would increase box office. People will still wait an additional six months for a Pixar movie. It just isn't an priority event anymore. This makes me wonder if Wish will fail too. It is very possible. Pixar better redesign Eilo before it's too late.
I don't want Wish to flop!
 

WorldExplorer

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I want to see if Peter Sohn's going to get the boot.

If directing the flop that is Lightyear is enough to warrant firing, surely directing two huge flops (one of which seems much more like a passion project so you can argue is more his fault) is also enough to warrant it.
 

mickEblu

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I don't think that would increase box office. People will still wait an additional six months for a Pixar movie. It just isn't an priority event anymore. This makes me wonder if Wish will fail too. It is very possible. Pixar better redesign Eilo before it's too late.

I think 6 months should be enough to persuade people to go see a movie that’s getting good reviews. I mean if that isn’t enough, they can make it 10 months. If none of that works then what? Get rid of D+? Start chopping those production budgets in half? Or how about have the movies come out on D+ for $50 (strategically priced here for a family of four) the same time it’s out in theaters . Psychologically the fact that the movie is so close within grasp may propel someone’s to spend just a little more to see it at the theaters or just to go and spend the 15 bucks or whatever.

And if none of that works and original movies are toast maybe they need to rethink the movie theatre experience. Instead of opening a new theatre with 2 big screens, 4 medium and 4 small ones open up theatre's with 4 huge screens that offer 4D experiences. Give people a reason to leave their house and just adjust to the fact that movie theatre's may only be for blockbusters/ sequels now. However that may cause fatigue too. Nobody wants to see Toy Story 10. I’m not sure what the answer is.
 
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TP2000

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Pixar is damaged as a big-screen brand.​
How could Pixar, the gold standard of animation studios for nearly three decades, have gotten a movie so wrong — especially one about Buzz Lightyear, a bedrock “Toy Story” character?​
Maybe pandemic-worried families were not quite ready to return to theaters.​

That was the part of that New York Times article that made me laugh out loud. "Pandemic-worried families" didn't want to go to the movies last summer? Talk about living in a New York bubble and being completely out of touch with the nation as a whole. 🤣

Or worse, just throwing out lame excuses like that hoping their readers are idiots who don't remember last summer. 🤣🤣🤣

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Or maybe, just maybe, Covid had nothing at all to do with why Lightyear flopped and why the Pixar brand is now failing? 🤔
 

Tha Realest

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That was the part of that New York Times article that made me laugh out loud. "Pandemic-worried families" didn't want to go to the movies last summer? Talk about living in a New York bubble and being completely out of touch with the nation as a whole. 🤣

Or worse, just throwing out lame excuses like that hoping their readers are idiots who don't remember last summer. 🤣🤣🤣

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Or maybe, just maybe, Covid had nothing at all to do with why Lightyear flopped and why the Pixar brand is now failing? 🤔
Did their worries go away two weeks later when Minions was released en route to a near billion dollar box office?
 

MrPromey

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Not trying to portray it as a failure, I watched the first one at home way back in 2009, watching ironically, a bootleg DVD🤣 it was fine.

I will agree, it is totally different at home VS. in the theater, in the theater you have committed your self having traveled there and paid for the seat and there is no pause, stop or rewind. I think that’s the difference for me.

On the other hand,there are series on series on streaming I will binge watch for hours, so if the content grabs me, I will sit there for hours an watch too.
Oh, I didn't take it that way, I'm just sayin' theater-style isolation chamber asside, so much of these movies rely on an experience we can't get in home viewing.

Like, you hear all the hype about certain movies being made for the "big screen" and how they can only really be appreciated that way. I'd say the Avatar movies are the only ones to date where that is literally true.

I'm not saying that the stories are bad (as Ghost93 said, they are fairly simple, though); the characters all act out of motivation and as far as big movies with lots going on go, the plot-holes are pretty minimal but I think watching it at home for the first time, it would be difficult to appreciate the hype surrounding the theatrical release.

Like when the first one broke all records to become the highest grossing of all time, it was completely believable. For those who haven't seen it in a theater recently, looking back on that, I could understand it being a head-scratcher.

Also, the number of people who had done the ride and didn't even really remember the movie was high because re-watching at home, especially with it being such a long movie, just isn't that appealing. Heck, I went out and bought the first one as soon as it came out and I'm not sure we ever even made it through a single sitting. 🤷‍♂️
 
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Ghost93

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I think 6 months should be enough to persuade people to go see a movie that’s getting good reviews. I mean if that isn’t enough, they can make it 10 months. If none of that works then what? Get rid of D+? Start chopping those production budgets in half?

Elemental shouldn't go to Disney Plus until Christmas Day. The Little Mermaid remake should go on Disney Plus Feb 14 (taking advantage of both Valentine's Day and Black History Month).
 

TalkingHead

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Elemental shouldn't go to Disney Plus until Christmas Day. The Little Mermaid remake should go on Disney Plus Feb 14 (taking advantage of both Valentine's Day and Black History Month).
Don’t send Elemental to D+ at all. Break the habit. The predictability is a large part of what’s keeping people from paying for theatrical.
 

Vegas Disney Fan

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Don’t send Elemental to D+ at all. Break the habit. The predictability is a large part of what’s keeping people from paying for theatrical.
The problem with that approach is then they have to spend even more money developing new D+ shows to attract and retain D+ subscribers.

Adding movies to D+ should be a free way of enticing subscribers, they just need to find a release date compromise so the movies recoup their costs in the theaters before being poached.

They released movies on dvd and BluRay around the 6 month mark and it worked, I think that’s the secret time frame between long enough to get people in theaters but also new enough to still be a big benefit of paying for the service.
 

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