News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

[JustInTime]

Would a fair compromise be reached in making TSI even more Western in theme with Frontierlandesque attraction offerings?

I weirdly love TSI but I’d like this, I think.

 

[doctornick]

It would be idiotic to retheme all of Frontierland (except BTMRR) to New Orleans and then spend a bunch of money building a new Frontierland in a different spot. Not to mention the operational impact of putting a bunch of Frontierland behind walls.

You want to build a New Orleans area for PatF? Sure… build it at the train station and going north from there. Put in Tiana’s restaurant and and whatever else you desire. But be efficient and sensible with spending money, don’t blow a wade of resources just to retheme and not add any capacity.

 

[JustInTime]

It would be idiotic to retheme all of Frontierland (except BTMRR) to New Orleans and then spend a bunch of money building a new Frontierland in a different spot. Not to mention the operational impact of putting a bunch of Frontierland behind walls.

You want to build a New Orleans area for PatF? Sure… build it at the train station and going north from there. Put in Tiana’s restaurant and and whatever else you desire. But be efficient and sensible with spending money, don’t blow a wade of resources just to retheme and not add any capacity.

Great point.

 

[lazyboy97o]

It would be idiotic to retheme all of Frontierland (except BTMRR) to New Orleans and then spend a bunch of money building a new Frontierland in a different spot. Not to mention the operational impact of putting a bunch of Frontierland behind walls.

You want to build a New Orleans area for PatF? Sure… build it at the train station and going north from there. Put in Tiana’s restaurant and and whatever else you desire. But be efficient and sensible with spending money, don’t blow a wade of resources just to retheme and not add any capacity.

It’ll make the area more Disney.

 

[KingMickey13]

They could move (and/or build new versions of) Pecos Bill Inn, Westward Ho, the Diamond Horseshoe, Big Al's, Golden Oak Outpost, the Trading Post, and the Shootin' Arcade to a "New Frontierland" that is in the "beyond Big Thunder" area, along with putting in Villains land, but I think an Encanto land should go in either Epcot or Animal Kingdom, and a Coco expansion of Epcot's Mexico pavilion should happen. Please remember that Bob Iger is only CEO of Disney again for two years per his contract, and two years from 2022, which was when Iger returned, is 2024. A new ideology for Disney could be made under Iger’s replacement that would involve more on creativity than "IP greed".

You’ve been saying that for months but Disney is almost certainly going ahead with this.

 

[BlakeW39]

It’ll make the area more Disney.

And especially more family friendly and timeless.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

And especially more family friendly and timeless.

But will it make it more EPCOT?

 

[Elijah Abrams]

You’ve been saying that for months but Disney is almost certainly going ahead with this.

With what?

 

[MagicHappens1971]

With what?

With posts like this. There are a dozen more.

I still don’t think this expansion is going to go through, since this was conceptualized during Bob Chapek’s tenure at Disney, and Bob Iger is trying to get rid of the stuff Chapek made now that he is back. I, in fact, agree with some of the comments here on the thread and think Epcot should get the Coco and Encanto stuff, though I think an Encanto attraction focusing on Antonio's animals would be much better for Animal Kingdom.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I think that's been discussed by a lot of people. I mean they weren't gonna open Tiana in frontierland

Edit. But I'll give him credit if they make a new Orleans themed country bears show

New Orleans bears would def be news to me. I guess kinda like that scene in A Goofy Movie?

 

[𝐌𝖆𝖓 𝖎𝖓 𝐖𝖊𝖇]

New Orleans bears would def be news to me. I guess kinda like that scene in A Goofy Movie?

I had the same thought. Though can't decide if it'd be a good thing or bad.

Join the World Famous Country Bears on a Musical Tour of New Orleans in the all new Zydeco & Blues Revue with Opening Act Lester Possum's Bayou Band.

 

[Brer Panther]

But be efficient and sensible with spending money, don’t blow a wade of resources just to retheme and not add any capacity.

Disney is allergic to being efficient and sensible with spending money.

And to adding capacity.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I don’t recall seeing an insider saying the Southern part of Frontierland was going to change (and why), but it is hip to dislike him in the community, I get it.

One of the things he mentions matches up something I heard back from D23. That doesn’t make it true, but it does support his story.

It’s a subtle change from

It’s only the CBJ piece that I had not heard. I was told we’d keep some of Frontierland so BTMRR isn’t an orphan.

 

[𝐌𝖆𝖓 𝖎𝖓 𝐖𝖊𝖇]

The concept is starting to come together. Now address Swiss Family Robinson Treehouse and the ridiculous Aladdin Spinner at the other end and you'll be doing God's Work I tell ya!

 

[doctornick]

The only way I’d be happy with this idea if it came to pass is if “western river expedition” were part of this theoretical desert/southwest expansion. I know there is essentially zero chance of that occurring.

 

[Serpico Jones]

Disney is allergic to being efficient and sensible with spending money.

And to adding capacity.

Yep.

 

[doctornick]

As an aside, if Disney is really determined to go forward with this stupid plan, might I recommend a possible (IP!) attractions that would be a sensible add to any a “desert” American SW/Mexico land? Indians Jones and an Aztec (or Mayan) Temple. Basically could be something just like the DL ride, but with Mesoamerican characteristics. Would definitely help to buff up a new land and help capacity and would be well received.

 

[doctornick]

Oh absolutely not, if the people who petitioned to get Splash shut down saw some of the Marc Davis Concept Art they might have a seizure.

Oh I know. I do think it could be modified to be more “exploration” and “discovery” - showcasing the beauty and natural wonder of the American frontier - as opposed to conquest and aggression which could in theory be accepted. But the lack of IP alone would doom it.

However doing some version of WRE would be a massive hit with “traditional” Disney fans. It would certainly be the kind of bid that would get some cynics to return.

 

[MisterPenguin]

He also was the first to mention the Hatbox Ghost being added to MK, the Rose Gold Castle, etc. The good thing about him is he usually doesn’t say anything unless it’s almost certainly happening.

Brayden usually only says what’s almost confirmed, so I think this is definitely credible. It also aligns perfectly with what we’ve been hearing for months now.

The castle wasn't 'rose gold' which is a metallic finish. It was salmon with added filigree add-ons.

And what does "almost certainly happening" or "almost confirmed" mean?

 

[MisterPenguin]

It has been said countless times that Splash and CBJ and the RoA were not "the frontier" despite being plopped down in a land called Frontierland.

And when you convert Splash to TBA and Pecos Bill to Tiana's Place... what is left of Frontier land?

Diamond Horseshoe was already drawn in by Disney maps to be preposterously part of Liberty Square. And even if you took it out of Liberty Square, it's a St. Louis restaurant, which is the same timeframe of Mississippi riverboats... and thus, not the Frontier.

The "Frontier" is not just generally the Midwest or the South. It was unsettled land (unsettled by European expansion).

There's just about no Frontier left with Pecos Bill's conversion.

It was time to put a fork in it and call it 'done.'

(Not to mention the problematic associations there are with "the frontier" -- for some, it was called 'home.')