'Strange World' Disney's 2022 Animated Film

Disney Irish

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I have no idea. I blame the Chapek regime which gave one person all the budgetary power and took the power away from the studio heads for deciding things, like how to market…
Good point, if Lee and Docter had been in direct charge of marketing decisions instead of Daniel for the last couple of films for WDAS and Pixar would they have been marketed differently? I have to think at least SW would have been.
 

TP2000

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However, the son wasn't a very dynamic character. His crush felt like a checkbox and was unimportant to the story.

What I was afraid of, and assumed. It's just a checkbox for HR, and so people can brag at brunch about their Important Work.

But it does nothing for the actual story. As a reminder, Disney people are supposed to be storytellers, not HR managers.

They even built a statue for DCA's relaunch in 2012 dedicated to the concept of epic storytellers. Seems like a million years ago now.

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LittleBuford

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To bring things back to the film (the ostensible topic of this thread), I’m glad Disney didn’t verbally or visually downplay the dynamic between Ethan and Diazo. It was great to see some real representation.
 
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Vegas Disney Fan

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I watched Moana today while packing up my millions of dollars worth of Disney Christmas ornaments and realized two things… Strange World and Moana tell a very similar story, Moana is a kid who’s father wants her to follow in his footsteps and she wants to chart her own course, all while saving the world, Moana just tells it in an infinitely better story… and despite buying a dozen new ornaments every year (and having over 200 at this point) none of them are from a Disney movie made after Moana in 2016, Pixar’s done much better and I have ornaments up to and including Luca on a Vespa from 2021.

Recent Disney characters haven’t connected like characters from a few years ago.
 
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Rich T

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My review from the Disneyland Misc. Thread:

Strange World Thoughts…
(Mild Spoilers)

The first time I watched “Strange World,” all I could see and hear were the flaws. But having learned my lesson from “Encanto,” I did watch it a second time, hoping it would connect together better on a second viewing. And it did. It’s still got problems, but it’s not a bad film at all. Like Treasure Planet and Atlantis, it’s a fun adventure that could have been much better with one more rewrite.

The main problems: The dialogue is too “jokey” and very little of it is very funny, rendering all the characters a bit obnoxious until the third act. The pacing and editing are all over the place to the point where it’s jarring. There are major character development sequences that add little, and overly-frenetic action scenes that are hard to follow.

As other critics have pointed out, the movie is mainly about the Grandfather/Father/Son conflict, and-while the characters’ arcs are well done—it’s not enough to carry the whole film, and the side characters have no development at all.

And all through the first viewing, I kept asking myself “Who was this made for?” I LOVE this genre, I like the character designs, the cast is great… but, for me, the film is just “off”, missing the mark over and over throughout the first two acts.

It has multiple worthwhile messages it wants to convey about diversity, ecology, community, family and acceptance, but it just hammers viewers over the head (over and over) with these themes in the most obvious ways imaginable.

For instance, there’s Ethan’s board game that serves as a physical symbol of the movie’s main themes. It is the most BORING, preachy board game in the history of board games. It’s even more boring as a five minute scene that isn’t very funny and has very, very little payoff in the character development department. Its ecological message is another insulting hammer to the viewer’s head. And the line “that’s just poor storytelling” is very unwise for a scene that brings the film’s momentum to a screeching halt.

And, yes, the “big twist reveal” can be guessed within the first ten minutes, if you haven’t already gotten it from the trailers, though I have to admit that when the characters themselves *finally* realize the truth… it’s staged very well.

I actually liked Splat more than most critics did; he’s Magic-Carpet level on the sidekick scale. The dog, unfortunately, does nothing but act annoyingly stupid throughout.

As for the Elephant in the Room, I’ve got mixed feelings. In this particular movie, It does come across as showboating—but that’s probably because it’s the very first Disney film to focus attention on a gay main character and his love interest. On the plus side, it’s nice to see a world where a person’s orientation is treated as naturally and non-problematic as eye color (other animated films that previously did this include How to Train Your Dragon 2 & 3 and The Mitchells Vs. The Machines). On the negative side, there’s a hefty chunk of time devoted to a detail that adds nothing to the plot and little to Ethan’s character development. It’s not an orientation issue; If Ethan had been a heterosexual female character, the boyfriend element would still take up too much screen time considering how little it adds to the film. I think The Mitchells Vs. The Machines did a better job with this.

And while I love seeing more diverse characters in Disney films, I was mildly insulted that, while all the women on the adventure are portrayed as flawless, courageous and emotionally mature leader-figures, ALL the males, including the dog, are portrayed as immature goofballs. Every. Single. One. Except Ethan’s crush.

It’s already on Disney+, everyone! If you’ve seen it, what did you think?

I do think it’s going to be very interesting to see how this one ages over the years. I think it might gain a following through home viewing a la Treasure Planet and wind up considered an under-appreciated gem. Maybe?
 
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BuddyThomas

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My review from the Misc. Thread:

Strange World Thoughts…
(Mild Spoilers)

The first time I watched “Strange World,” all I could see and hear were the flaws. But having learned my lesson from “Encanto,” I did watch it a second time, hoping it would connect together better on a second viewing. And it did. It’s still got problems, but it’s not a bad film at all. Like Treasure Planet and Atlantis, it’s a fun adventure that could have been much better with one more rewrite.

The main problems: The dialogue is too “jokey” and very little of it is very funny, rendering all the characters a bit obnoxious until the third act. The pacing and editing are all over the place to the point where it’s jarring. There are major character development sequences that add little, and overly-frenetic action scenes that are hard to follow.

As other critics have pointed out, the movie is mainly about the Grandfather/Father/Son conflict, and-while the characters’ arcs are well done—it’s not enough to carry the whole film, and the side characters have no development at all.

And all through the first viewing, I kept asking myself “Who was this made for?” I LOVE this genre, I like the character designs, the cast is great… but, for me, the film is just “off”, missing the mark over and over throughout the first two acts.

It has multiple worthwhile messages it wants to convey about diversity, ecology, community, family and acceptance, but it just hammers viewers over the head (over and over) with these themes in the most obvious ways imaginable.

For instance, there’s Ethan’s board game that serves as a physical symbol of the movie’s main themes. It is the most BORING, preachy board game in the history of board games. It’s even more boring as a five minute scene that isn’t very funny and has very, very little payoff in the character development department. Its ecological message is another insulting hammer to the viewer’s head. And the line “that’s just poor storytelling” is very unwise for a scene that brings the film’s momentum to a screeching halt.

And, yes, the “big twist reveal” can be guessed within the first ten minutes, if you haven’t already gotten it from the trailers, though I have to admit that when the characters themselves *finally* realize the truth… it’s staged very well.

I actually liked Splat more than most critics did; he’s Magic-Carpet level on the sidekick scale. The dog, unfortunately, does nothing but act annoyingly stupid throughout.

As for the Elephant in the Room, I’ve got mixed feelings. In this particular movie, It does come across as showboating—but that’s probably because it’s the very first Disney film to focus attention on a gay main character and his love interest. On the plus side, it’s nice to see a world where a person’s orientation is treated as naturally and non-problematic as eye color (other animated films that previously did this include How to Train Your Dragon 2 & 3 and The Mitchells Vs. The Machines). On the negative side, there’s a hefty chunk of time devoted to a detail that adds nothing to the plot and little to Ethan’s character development. It’s not an orientation issue; If Ethan had been a heterosexual female character, the boyfriend element would still take up too much screen time considering how little it adds to the film. I think The Mitchells Vs. The Machines did a better job with this.

And while I love seeing more diverse characters in Disney films, I was mildly insulted that, while all the women on the adventure are portrayed as flawless, courageous and emotionally mature leader-figures, ALL the males, including the dog, are portrayed as immature goofballs. Every. Single. One. Except Ethan’s crush.

It’s already on Disney+, everyone! If you’ve seen it, what did you think?

I do think it’s going to be very interesting to see how this one ages over the years. I think it might gain a following through home viewing a la Treasure Planet and wind up considered an under-appreciated gem. Maybe?
Very detailed and thoughtful review. Thanks for posting.
 

Rich T

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Finally sat down and watched it on D+ with the family. And....it was...okay.

I did not hate it like I thought I would based off the horrible reviews it was receiving. But it was just okay. I liked the world they were building, but none of the characters felt very real or interesting to me. Part of it was the horrible animation where everyone looks like cartoon blobs and not realistic people (a current trend for DIS which is annoying) so that the characters mostly fell flat. The mom was the most engaging character. The main character, Ethan?, was so bland. The only part of his personality that came through was his crush on another boy, which was much more pronounced than I at first thought. Say what you will, but I can totally understand parents of young children not wanting to have those conversations stirred up by the film. It is not blink and you will miss it but it was handled well. The ending was creative but predictable, and I am proud to say I guessed it based on the trailers alone. Not sure it was worth the price of admission though.

It just is further proof that Disney has lost its way. Lightyear, Turning Red, Soul, Raya, Luca...none of them are that amazing in my opinion (although I very much enjoyed Encanto). I am hopeful for Pixar's Elementals, the live action Little Mermaid, and Wish (a musical that promises an actual return to form with, not a twist villain, but an actual real classic Disney villain). So, here is to hoping....
Gotta disagree with you on the “horrible animation” part. It’s great animation—It’s the character designs you don’t like. Personally, I LOVE the character designs (I’m a big Asterix fan). I was glad to see them try a new, more cartoony look for the characters, though I think How to Train Your Dragon pulled off the cartoonishly-proportioned-people-rendered-realistically look more smoothly.
 
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brb1006

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I watched Moana today while packing up my millions of dollars worth of Disney Christmas ornaments and realized two things… Strange World and Moana tell a very similar story, Moana is a kid who’s father wants her to follow in his footsteps and she wants to chart her own course, all while saving the world, Moana just tells it in an infinitely better story… and despite buying a dozen new ornaments every year (and having over 200 at this point) none of them are from a Disney movie made after Moana in 2016, Pixar’s done much better and I have ornaments up to and including Luca on a Vespa from 2021.

Recent Disney characters haven’t connected like characters from a few years ago.
The last thing I had connection with Disney's recent characters was Zootopia.
 

LittleBuford

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And, yes, the “big twist reveal” can be guessed within the first ten minutes
My partner and I didn’t guess it, so it came as a surprise to us.

while all the women on the adventure are portrayed as flawless, courageous and emotionally mature leader-figures, ALL the males, including the dog, are portrayed as immature goofballs. Every. Single. One. Except Ethan’s crush.
I disagree with this. The president certainly emerges as flawed when she orders the family to be locked in a cupboard. It’s one of the worst decisions in the whole movie, so much so that I momentarily thought that she was a twist villain.

Moreover, I’m surprised you think that Ethan and Searcher are portrayed as immature goofballs. Could you elaborate?
 

Rich T

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My partner and I didn’t guess it, so it came as a surprise to us.


I disagree with this. The president certainly emerges as flawed when she orders the family to be locked in a cupboard. It’s one of the worst decisions in the whole movie, so much so that I momentarily thought that she was a twist villain.

Moreover, I’m surprised you think that Ethan and Searcher are portrayed as immature goofballs. Could you elaborate?
I’m glad the twist wasn’t spoiled for you. I think I guessed it from having grown up with “Fantastic Voyage” and being a fan of “Osmosis Jones.” :D

I agree that the president did a terrible thing with the storage closet lockup, but she thought it was the right thing at the time. Everyone makes mistakes. BTW, I hated that scene; it was really unpleasantly claustrophobic.

I used the term “goofball” to cover a wide range of clumsy, accident-prone, oblivious, constantly-saying-the-wrong-thing behavior. Ethan mostly gets a free pass because he’s a teenager, but he acts impulsively and puts everyone in danger. With Searcher, it’s his played-for-laughs paranoia and insecurity that keeps making him lash out at the exact wrong times. And a lot of it comes down to everyone’s dialogue, which I do think could have used some sharpening.

These were just my impressions after two viewings. Overall, I do like the movie.
 

LittleBuford

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I’m glad the twist wasn’t spoiled for you. I think I guessed it from having grown up with “Fantastic Voyage” and being a fan of “Osmosis Jones.” :D

I agree that the president did a terrible thing with the storage closet lockup, but she thought it was the right thing at the time. Everyone makes mistakes. BTW, I hated that scene; it was really unpleasantly claustrophobic.

I used the term “goofball” to cover a wide range of clumsy, accident-prone, oblivious, constantly-saying-the-wrong-thing behavior. Ethan mostly gets a free pass because he’s a teenager, but he acts impulsively and puts everyone in danger. With Searcher, it’s his played-for-laughs paranoia and insecurity that keeps making him lash out at the exact wrong times. And a lot of it comes down to everyone’s dialogue, which I do think could have used some sharpening.

These were just my impressions after two viewings. Overall, I do like the movie.
Thanks! My impression of Searcher was quite different from yours—he came across as noble and well-meaning above anything else to me—but I appreciate your explanation.
 

RobWDW1971

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Was SW really suppose to be an event film, not sure about that. I would add that yes in the post-2000s WDAS had event films, but that doesn't mean its going to be every year or forever.

Also for your couple examples of animated and family movies, there more that didn't bring in the box office this year.

Just to name a few that didn't clear $100M domestically:

DC: Super Pets
Lyle, Lyle Crocodile
Paws of Fury
So apparently a $180M budgeted Disney animated tentpole Thanksgiving release is now being compared to studio pick-ups and low rent live action/animated hybrids. The budget for Strange World was nearly the budget of all three of those films combined.

Thanks for proving my point. The lengths people will go to rationalize Disney's failures is something truly to behold.

"OK, the major tentpole Thanksgiving Disney release did half the global box office of Paw Patrol:The Movie and lost over $150M, but, but, but....it also did less than half of the global box/budget ratio of Paws of Fury!!!"

- DC Super-Pets: $90M budget, $204M global box office, 226% of budget

- Lyle, Lyle (hybrid live action/animated film): $50M budget, $88M, 176% of budget

- Paws of Fury: $45M, $42M 93% of budget

- Strange World: $180M budget estimated approx. $70M box office, 39% of budget

Are there any pathetically lower bars to which we can compare it?

"Oh, oh, it also did more than Bros' $14.8M global gross!!!"

Yes, yes it did. Congrats Disney, take your victory lap.
 
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