'Strange World' Disney's 2022 Animated Film

[Heppenheimer]

You forgot one...

- Cowardice

I think what we're seeing is underlings with a messiah complex who see themselves as agents of social change more than storytellers, with executives who know the preachy stuff is poison but won't stand up and say "no."


New Hampshire and Vermont are the best. They're elitists in the sense of seeing themselves as superior to Bostonians because Bostonians are too elitist.

I can't speak for New Hampshire, but the opinion of my fellow Vermonters on our southerly neighbors isn't that they're too "elite", but a perceived arrogance (again, not my opinion, just what I hear).

The pandemic didn't help anything, becuase there's now also the perception that too many houses were bought up by out-of-state telecommuters, or people who just wanted a country refuge. In a state that doesn't build nearly enough houses to meet existing needs, this was not looked on kindly, and you can guess which state took most of the blame. On this point, there actually is some data to validate that opinion.

And now, back to Strange World...

 

[CaptainAmerica]

By that standard, any kind of queer representation Disney attempts—no matter how “mild”—is going to fail, because people will automatically associate it with a bunch of other things they don’t like. (To be clear, I don’t agree, but this is what you appear to be saying.)

Step 1, stop saying "queer." "Queer," "people of color," "Latinx," "womxn," etc. are surefire ways to turn off the people you're trying to persuade. You can't bully them into submission with faculty lounge rhetoric and buzzwords.

You are crudely and snidely mischaracterising who the extra stripes stand for. As someone who not that long ago would have been viewed through the same condemnatory lens by society at large, I would be a self-serving hypocrite to disassociate myself from them. We are natural allies, and I stand by them wholeheartedly.

I quoted the creator of the flag. Literally a direct quote.

"Demiguy" is not a real thing. Xe, xem, and xyr are not words. And people who identify as such are not welcome around my children. I feel sympathy for them, they should be free from discrimination in public or in the workplace, and I would treat them with respect and kindness if I met them. But their perception of reality is distorted in a way that will cause confusion, at best, or harm, at worse, to my kids.

 

[LittleBuford]

Step 1, stop saying "queer." "Queer," "people of color," "Latinx," etc. are surefire ways to turn off the people you're trying to persuade. You can't bully them into submission with faculty lounge rhetoric and buzzwords.

I’m not trying to persuade you; I’m simply using the words that I feel comfortable using. It’s ironic that you’re accusing me of trying to bully people into submission when you’re the one demanding that I change my vocabulary!

I quoted the creator of the flag.

"Demiguy" is not a real thing. Xe, xem, and xyr are not words. And people who identify as such are not welcome around my children.

For anyone interested, here’s what the flag’s creator has to say about it:

PROGRESS INITIATIVE | Home of the Progress Pride Flag

quasar.digital | designs by daniel quasar | home of the progress pride flag

progress.gay

 

[Californian Elitist]

Took a peek, and wow.

 

[LittleBuford]

Took a peek, and wow.View attachment 686788

You were wise to exit when you did.

 

[Californian Elitist]

You were wise to exit when you did.

As a queer womxn of melanated color, I think I will dip out again, for now.

 

[LittleBuford]

As a queer womxn of melanated color, I think I will dip out again, for now.

I wish I had as much sense as you!

 

[DisneyHead123]

The bolded seems an extremely unfair criterion to impose. It’s basically saying that the poor reception of a narratively lacklustre film is bound to be associated with any gay characters that that film may happen to include, whether their sexuality has anything to do with the story or not. We’ve seen evidence of this conflation throughout the present thread, but you seem to be suggesting that it’s understandable that people think this way. Please accept my apologies if I’m misinterpreting you.

It’s a fair point that this is very subjective. I was thinking mostly of gay storylines feeling “tacked on” rather than integral to the story. From what I understand SW was rewritten to include a storyline about Ethan being gay, rather than this informing the story and character from the start. But if Disney really feels they gave something their best effort and people just don’t like the story, it’s fair to say you just can’t prevent that sometimes.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Took a peek, and wow.View attachment 686788

Black people are much more likely than white people to agree with the statement "gender is determined by sex assigned at birth."

Actually, Black people are the second most likely group to agree with that statement after Republican/Lean Republican.

Pew Research, June 2022

 

[Californian Elitist]

Black people are much more likely than white people to agree with the statement "gender is determined by sex assigned at birth."

Actually, Black people are the second most likely group to agree with that statement after Republican/Lean Republican.

Pew Research, June 2022

K…? K.

 

[LittleBuford]

From what I understand SW was rewritten to include a storyline about Ethan being gay, rather than this informing the story and character from the start.

Scripts evolve. Many of the greatest Disney classics ended up with details and whole plot points that weren’t part of the film’s original conception. That said, I can’t find anything about Strange World being rewritten to make Ethan gay. Do you have a source?

 

[DisneyHead123]

Scripts evolve. Many of the greatest Disney classics ended up with details and whole plot points that weren’t part of the film’s original conception. That said, I can’t find anything about Strange World being rewritten to make Ethan gay. Do you have a source?

Looking at Google I’m probably misremembering as the Ethan storyline was often described as “tacked on”, though not literally rewritten. I will have to see it myself before I can say if I think that characterization is fair though.

 

[RobWDW1971]

I wonder if on the discussion boards of "Minions: Rise of Gru" and "Puss in Boots: The Last Wish" are there 50 pages of debate about alternate lifestyles and the impact on children? Wonder on those boards if there are pictures posted of the lead child voice actor in drag for those movies?

Nah, it has nothing to do with the performance of the film, just a coincidence. Never mind.

 

[LittleBuford]

alternate lifestyles

It’s not a lifestyle.

 

[LittleBuford]

The comparisons people are making to Minions and Puss in Boots are glossing over the fact that those films are in many ways very un-Disney. They are straightfowardly fun and irreverent, in contrast to the heartfelt earnestness that Disney has generally striven for. The best-regarded Disney (and Pixar) films share very little tonally with these rival productions.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

I agree with a lot of what you're saying if Strange World existed in a vacuum, but it doesn't. You have to evaluate things as a trend.

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This is a super simple example. A rainbow photo wall during Pride Month seems perfectly reasonable, right? But they couldn't help themselves. They couldn't leave it at a rainbow photo wall. They had to include the black, brown, pink, white, and light blue of the so-called "progress" flag. This "outs" (pun not intended) the ideology behind the gesture as one not of inclusion, but one of intersectionality and left-wing political ideology.

Middle-America was on your side when it came to inclusion and representation of LGBT people. They're not on the side of "queer non-binary demiguys who prefer xe/xem/xyr pronouns," which is how the designer of the progress flag identifies. That type of thing has parents hyper-sensitive to anything under the LGBTQ+ umbrella and has set the gay rights movement back decades by association.

I'm a conservative, and I want Q-anon and the white nationalists expelled from the American Right because they make my side look insane (or evil). As a gay man, I would think you would want xe/xem/xyr queer non-binary demiguys expelled from the gay rights movement because they make *your side* look insane.

Thanks so much for letting the Queer community know the limits on your willingness to tolerate different types of people in the world.

 

[RobWDW1971]

It’s not a lifestyle.

life·style
/ˈlīfˌstīl/

noun

1. the way in which a person or group lives

 

[LittleBuford]

Yeah, still not a lifestyle.

 

[LittleBuford]

The funny thing is that none of you even knew about the drag photo until I shared it here. But yes, that's the reason the film failed.



ETA: He really does look FABULOUS!

 

[_caleb]

I wonder if on the discussion boards of "Minions: Rise of Gru" and "Puss in Boots: The Last Wish" are there 50 pages of debate about alternate lifestyles and the impact on children? Wonder on those boards if there are pictures posted of the lead child voice actor in drag for those movies?

Nah, it has nothing to do with the performance of the film, just a coincidence. Never mind.

Maybe you should hang out on those boards a bit more?