News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

[BobPar]

As a former Staten Islander the Verrazano Bridge toll is so high that I used to refer to it as an admission fee.
Matter of fact, I used to say that it was so expensive it should do something like rides do.
Perhaps have a loop on it.

Come on as a Staten Islander you get a deep discount and pay like a 1/3rd you cant complain lol.

 

[Trauma]

Showrunners, actors, etc. speak for themselves, not for Disney. Disney’s official line is usually silence in such matters.

Sorry if an actor is starring in a Disney show and they are being interviewed or commenting about that show they are representing Disney.

 

[LittleBuford]

Sorry if an actor is starring in a Disney show and they are being interviewed or commenting about that show they are representing Disney.

I don’t agree. And I would say the same regardless of the company in question.

 

[Trauma]

I don’t agree. And I would say the same regardless of the company in question.

I will send you a private message since any further discourse will veer far away from Splash.

 

[Incomudro]

Come on as a Staten Islander you get a deep discount and pay like a 1/3rd you cant complain lol.

I personally barely ever drove over that bridge.
In any event, resident discount or not the price of the bridge is ridiculous.

 

[BobPar]

I personally barely ever drove over that bridge.
In any event, resident discount or not the price of the bridge is ridiculous.

Hahaha. Oh trust me i agree. Its a disgrace. Whats funnier is my history is correct. The bridge was suppose to be “free” after it was paid for when being built lol

 

[UNCgolf]

It is perfectly possible to criticise something without being misinterpreted or unfairly maligned. We see it happen every day, no matter how many times some here claim that any and all criticism is forbidden.

On this forum, absolutely.

On Twitter (and other social media), there is a tendency for people to group up and pile on any dissenting opinions with dismissive language. It happened with the Star Wars sequels, where a significant number of people automatically dismissed anyone with any critical opinion whatsoever as racist/sexist and ignored and/or attacked absolutely anything negative anyone had to say regardless of the basis. It was essentially weaponized to shut down disagreement.

There absolutely were people who hated those films (or Last Jedi specifically) for of racist/sexist reasons, but it certainly wasn't everyone with a critical opinion.

It's one of the reasons social media is such a terrible place to attempt any legitimate discourse, and why I'd love to see Elon Musk's purchase drive Twitter into the ground (although it'll just be replaced with something else). It's full of groupthink.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

There absolutely were people who hated those films (or Last Jedi specifically) because of racist/sexist reasons, but it certainly wasn't everyone with a critical opinion.

Everyone I know who hates The Last Jedi hates it because it ruined Finn, a Black character that we all loved from The Force Awakens.

 

[_caleb]

aaaaand we’re political again

 

[solidyne]

I’ve seen a LOT of criticism of TLJ, and this is not a particularly common complaint. How did the film “ruin” Finn?

By making him a human sprinkler in the first ten minutes?

 

[mitchk]

I’ll miss you

 

[LittleBuford]

On this forum, absolutely.

On Twitter (and other social media), there is a tendency for people to group up and pile on any dissenting opinions with dismissive language. It happened with the Star Wars sequels, where a significant number of people automatically dismissed anyone with any critical opinion whatsoever as racist/sexist and ignored and/or attacked absolutely anything negative anyone had to say regardless of the basis. It was essentially weaponized to shut down disagreement.

There absolutely were people who hated those films (or Last Jedi specifically) for of racist/sexist reasons, but it certainly wasn't everyone with a critical opinion.

It's one of the reasons social media is such a terrible place to attempt any legitimate discourse, and why I'd love to see Elon Musk's purchase drive Twitter into the ground (although it'll just be replaced with something else). It's full of groupthink.

But why treat Twitter as an encapsulation of public discourse? Such platforms have always been disproportionately dominated by those with extremist viewpoints who aren’t interested in good-faith debate. The point I’m trying to make is that the existence of such trolling and vitriol needn’t stop—and hasn’t stopped—people from articulating well-founded criticism, including of the Star Wars sequels. If Tiana’s Bayou Adventure turns out to be a poor ride, people will say so. The idea that they won’t be permitted to is nonsense.

 

[UNCgolf]

But why treat Twitter as an encapsulation of public discourse? Such platforms have always been disproportionately dominated by those with extremist viewpoints who aren’t interested in good-faith debate. The point I’m trying to make is that the existence of such trolling and vitriol needn’t stop—and hasn’t stopped—people from articulating well-founded criticism, including of the Star Wars sequels. If Tiana’s Bayou Adventure turns out to be a poor ride, people will say so. The idea that they won’t be permitted to is nonsense.

The problem is that social media (Twitter especially, but not solely) has become the go-to for public discourse. It's become a shorthand reference for what the general public thinks about anything, and thus basically has become the encapsulation of public discourse -- despite being at best misleading and often outright incorrect (Twitter is actually a pretty terrible source for what the general public thinks).

Regardless, I wasn't suggesting no one would be permitted to criticize the ride, nor was I agreeing with what some others have said in this thread. I just would not be surprised to see at least some criticism shouted down in some corners as invalid regardless of the content, and I think that's becoming a serious problem (not so much in the context of a Disney attraction, but in public discourse at-large).

It's also not bound to any particular political ideology -- the issue manifests itself from all sides in various forms.

 

[LittleBuford]

The problem is that social media (Twitter especially, but not solely) has become the go-to for public discourse. It's become a shorthand reference from what the general public thinks about anything, and thus basically has become the encapsulation of public discourse -- despite being at best misleading and often outright incorrect (Twitter is actually a pretty terrible source for what the general public thinks).

Regardless, I wasn't suggesting no one would be permitted to criticize the ride, nor was I agreeing with what some others have said in this thread. But I would not be surprised to see at least some criticism shouted down in some corners as invalid regardless of the content.

I agree, but I think your last sentence goes for pretty much everything these days, no matter the subject and regardless of the author. I miss the worst of it by staying away from social media.

 

[UNCgolf]

I agree, but I think your last sentence goes for pretty much everything these days, no matter the subject and regardless of the author. I miss the worst of it by staying away from social media.

I agree completely -- I was really commenting on the problem as a whole and not specific to Splash Mountain (which is a niche and incredibly minor topic in the grand scheme), which I think (hope?) I made slightly more clear via an edit.

And I don't engage with social media for the most part either, Twitter especially. It's just referenced so often in news articles etc. that it's hard to avoid.

 

[mysto]

Twitter has no employees left, when you support twitter you support noone, and twitter will soon go the way of myspace.

How can people predict from now how many times they’ll want to (re)ride the attraction? Work hasn’t even started on the retheme yet!

Three times.

My posts are still there, which I suppose makes me mythical.

I AM mythical. Welcome brother.

 

[Joel]

I'll reiterate that the last claim I was made aware of is that the overhaul has a very healthy budget now. Substantially increased multiple times after initial negative reactions. And it will apparently not result in a reduction of the animatronics. Allegedly they're keeping the existing Splash AA's and also adding a decent number of new top of the line ones for the added human characters (I assume this to mean the type used for Beauty and the Beast with physical robotic faces, not projection).

Really hope this is true. Would be practically a best case scenario.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

Come on as a Staten Islander you get a deep discount and pay like a 1/3rd you cant complain lol.

Yup drive from SI over the bridge into Queens and lose your front end on the Belt…

 

[Aries1975]

I'll reiterate that the last claim I was made aware of is that the overhaul has a very healthy budget now. Substantially increased multiple times after initial negative reactions. And it will apparently not result in a reduction of the animatronics. Allegedly they're keeping the existing Splash AA's and also adding a decent number of new top of the line ones for the added human characters (I assume this to mean the type used for Beauty and the Beast with physical robotic faces, not projection).

Feel free to take this with a mine of salt. But again, these claims are from someone who is most definitely no Disney shill (quite the opposite) and hated this overhaul as much as anyone reasonably can. They've been through all of the same criticism and concerns as myself and everyone else here. It cannot be overstated how much venom they were spewing at this overhaul up until very recently. And indeed, earlier variations of the ride were looking to be disastrous (anemic budget, mass removal of AA's, screens and empty blank sets, bad story etc). So their sudden shift in opinion to "the new finalized concept actually looks really promising and could be as good as Splash" got my attention.

If you're someone who is only interested in the Song of the South IP and characters and can't accept anything else, then I couldn't say whether you would like this ride. But if you're someone in the "bargaining" stage of grief at this point and are just hoping for a quality ride that can stand up against Splash Mountain on its own merits (which to me would mean a good old days AA-rich classic Disney ride), a "wait and see" approach can't hurt. There will be ample opportunity to absolutely tear into the ride if it does turn out awful. I'll also be rejoining everyone if these claims end up being false, and shoot the messenger if they were lying (though again i've little reason to assume they are).

I would expect nothing less on this particular project. This is not a project that can be cut, because they want to showcase this one. There is no way when Good Morning America (synergy) presents the ride and Michael Strahan rides it live on TV, there will be one AA malfunctioning, his boat will sink, screen issues, audio issues, etc. It has to be perfect.

This has nothing to do with the park capacity, customer satisfaction or return on investment. This is entirely about the image the corporation.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

I would expect nothing less on this particular project. This is not a project that can be cut, because they want to showcase this one. There is no way when Good Morning America (synergy) presents the ride and Michael Strahan rides it live on TV, there will be one AA malfunctioning, his boat will sink, screen issues, audio issues, etc. It has to be perfect.

This has nothing to do with the park capacity, customer satisfaction or return on investment. This is entirely about the image the corporation.

The image of the corporation…the first time guest going on Splash and seeing half the AA’s not working…yup, the image of the corporation.