News Splash Mountain retheme to Princess and the Frog - Tiana's Bayou Adventure

[UNCgolf]

maybe off topic, but as it pertains to NRJ, I am not sure where you would want to insert more animatronics. Part of the thing i think that really works for the ride, is the immersive nature of it. Like Avatar itself, the ride really showcases the land/journey across Navi River. Its one of the reason the screens really work, the "characters" that are making their way across the river with you are all in the background, and compliment, don't overpower the environment that you're in. I am not sure where you would place more animatronics to keep with that. Anything as large as the centerpiece is going to dominate that area/room i think to the detriment of the ride experience. Any anything really smaller is going to have scale issues for the ride.

I actually agree with this, for the most part.

I think more AAs would be great, but I also think it would require larger environments and it would turn the ride into an E ticket. The ride was never intended to be an E ticket.

 

[BobPar]

How can people predict from now how many times they’ll want to (re)ride the attraction? Work hasn’t even started on the retheme yet!

Pretty simple. If you are not a fan of the IP re rides usually dont happen… ride has to be mind blowing which pretty safe to say this will
Not be and will
Not live up to what Splash was…. Like ive never seen Avatar but will ride FoP many times and Navi only out of boredom or a filler….

 

[Smiley/OCD]

Pretty simple. If you are not a fan of the IP re rides usually dont happen… ride has to be mind blowing which pretty safe to say this will
Not be and will
Not live up to what Splash was…. Like ive never seen Avatar but will ride FoP many times and Navi only out of boredom or a filler….

And you’ve had 2 members just a few short posts ago that stated their boys said there’s too many princesses…they have every right to voice their opinions about the amount of princess attractions…are they right? Wrong? It doesn’t matter…it’s their OPINION. There is NO right, wrong or PC answer.

 

[BobPar]

And you’ve had 2 members just a few short posts ago that stated their boys said there’s too many princesses…they have every right to voice their opinions about the amount of princess attractions…are they right? Wrong? It doesn’t matter…it’s their OPINION. There is NO right, wrong or PC answer.

Totally agree with you on that… listen we all know why this retheme is happening and in the end imo it will only create more chaos at the MK bc eventually an attraction that was constantly packed even in its current state will never gobble up the daily amount of people who ride it now creating longer lines elsewhere…

 

[_caleb]

Pretty simple. If you are not a fan of the IP re rides usually dont happen… ride has to be mind blowing which pretty safe to say this will
Not be and will
Not live up to what Splash was…. Like ive never seen Avatar but will ride FoP many times and Navi only out of boredom or a filler….

You think people decide what rides to re-ride based on how much they like the IP of the theme?

 

[BobPar]

You think people decide what rides to re-ride based on how much they like the IP of the theme?

Read my entire statement its a combo of both but imo yes i think re rides definitely happen with popular IP’s my daughter when younger was in live w Ariel if i told you how many times we would ride daily you wouldnt believe it…

 

[_caleb]

Totally agree with you on that… listen we all know why this retheme is happening and in the end imo it will only create more chaos at the MK bc eventually an attraction that was constantly packed even in its current state will never gobble up the daily amount of people who ride it now creating longer lines elsewhere…

To be clear: you're saying that the MK will be plunged into chaos because fewer people will ride Tiana's Bayou Adventure than currently ride Splash Mountain because of their dislike for The Princess and the Frog film?

 

[_caleb]

Read my entire statement its a combo of both but imo yes i think re rides definitely happen with popular IP’s my daughter when younger was in live w Ariel if i told you how many times we would ride daily you wouldnt believe it…

Oh, I totally believe that! My son wanted to ride Buzz Lightyear over and over.

But that's not the ONLY reason a person might ride or re-ride a ride at WDW, right? You can imagine other possible criteria a guest may use when determining what to ride or re-ride?

 

[James Alucobond]

Read my entire statement its a combo of both but imo yes i think re rides definitely happen with popular IP’s my daughter when younger was in live w Ariel if i told you how many times we would ride daily you wouldnt believe it…

By this metric, Splash should already be failing since, relatively speaking, very few people even recognize Song of the South. It’s popular because it’s a fun attraction.

Likewise, there are many rides with no IP ties at all that remain consistently popular.

 

[Trauma]

Wow what a train wreck this is shaping up to be.

Does anyone here have any faith this refurb will be completed without budget cuts?

We are losing one of the greatest themed attractions of all time in return for budget cut Tiana.

 

[Kirby86]

Good point. Massive is a vague term anyway, but if the attraction does not move the needle and is the same in ridership as it is now,
it would certainly not be a big win. Guest spending is the biggest want, but they clearly need to move the needle with such an investment.

I think they would be disappointed if the new ride averages around the same amount of riders as the current one. Since in theory you are getting rid of a dated IP with a more modern one. If the new IP however doesn't attract more people to that part of the park you spent millions of dollars to stay stagnate numbers wise. However it does add more retail space for princess merchandise which is good for guest spending.

 

[BobPar]

Oh, I totally believe that! My son wanted to ride Buzz Lightyear over and over.

But that's not the ONLY reason a person might ride or re-ride a ride at WDW, right? You can imagine other possible criteria a guest may use when determining what to ride or re-ride?

Yes quality of ride etc as i mentioned. I just dont see this living up to its predecessor and as stated earlier also eliminates some of the guests that go its a “princess” Ip

 

[Smiley/OCD]

You think people decide what rides to re-ride based on how much they like the IP of the theme?

I can give examples, but one in particular would be any of the SW attractions at HWD…I know several people who aren’t SW fans, but rode it because it was new and the land was so hyped…it was one and done for them.
For me? I’ve NEVER seen ANY of the SW movies start to finish, I’ve seen and grew up with it, but was never a fan. Rode it once, cool ride, but not a must do. I’m sure people will ride Tiana, not like it and not necessarily ride it again. Will it be most? Of course not, but there will be some.

 

[BobPar]

By this metric, Splash should already be failing since, relatively speaking, very few people even recognize Song of the South. It’s popular because it’s a fun attraction.

Likewise, there are many rides with no IP ties at all that remain consistently popular.

See thats where your comparison is incorrect and where Disney failed. Not many people only maybe diehards looked at Splash and said hey thats SOTS IP everyone just saw the beloved characters that have been there for 3 decades. Also i agree you dont need an IP for a ride to be a classic.

 

[_caleb]

Wow what a train wreck this is shaping up to be.

Does anyone here have any faith this refurb will be completed without budget cuts?

We are losing one of the greatest themed attractions of all time in return for budget cut Tiana.

Wait, what? How is it shaping up to be a train wreck? Why are you expecting budget cuts to the retheme work?

 

[BobPar]

Wait, what? How is it shaping up to be a train wreck? Why are you expecting budget cuts to the retheme work?

It would be a safe assumption if there Was budget cuts lol… its pretty much the norm for them from announcement to build…

 

[_caleb]

I can give examples, but one in particular would be any of the SW attractions at HWD…I know several people who aren’t SW fans, but rode it because it was new and the land was so hyped…it was one and done for them.
For me? I’ve NEVER seen ANY of the SW movies start to finish, I’ve seen and grew up with it, but was never a fan. Rode it once, cool ride, but not a must do. I’m sure people will ride Tiana, not like it and not necessarily ride it again. Will it be most? Of course not, but there will be some.

But we are (or, we're) talking about Tiana's Bayou Adventure. Lots of people wait in long lines to ride Splash Mountain. And some (many?) of those same guests ride it again at some point during their visit.

You think wait times will be shorter for this ride due to the switch from Splash Mountain to Tiana?

 

[MagicHappens1971]

But we are (or, we're) talking about Tiana's Bayou Adventure. Lots of people wait in long lines to ride Splash Mountain. And some (many?) of those same guests ride it again at some point during their visit.

You think wait times will be shorter for this ride due to the switch from Splash Mountain to Tiana?

No. The wait times will be longer. It will technically be a brand new attraction + a Disney Princess attraction. It won’t matter as it will no doubt be a VQ when it opens in 2027

 

[Smiley/OCD]

But we are (or, we're) talking about Tiana's Bayou Adventure. Lots of people wait in long lines to ride Splash Mountain. And some (many?) of those same guests ride it again at some point during their visit.

You think wait times will be shorter for this ride due to the switch from Splash Mountain to Tiana?

No, not in the beginning, but if the ride doesn’t live up to the hype, it will go from a VQ, to a normal line with average wait times within a year or so. Please don’t get me wrong, I wish it wasn’t getting changed, BUT, I will definitely go on it and give it SEVERAL OPPORTUNITIES to live it. I just don’t have faith in the current “administration” to make a quality attraction…I HOPE I’M WRONG…

 

[James Alucobond]

See thats where your comparison is incorrect and where Disney failed. Not many people only maybe diehards looked at Splash and said hey thats SOTS IP everyone just saw the beloved characters that have been there for 3 decades. Also i agree you dont need an IP for a ride to be a classic.

I assure you that practically no standard guest cares about the Br'ers at all. Probably 98%+ of the general population would be unable to name or place them if shown in a character lineup. This attraction is not popular because of the characters at all. It is popular because it has detailed sets and animatronics, lovely music, a surprisingly long ascent, and a thrilling descent. It's a wonderful, world-class version of a proven ride mechanism.

Also, your last sentence confuses me. If you agree IP isn't necessary for an attraction to be a re-rideable classic, I'm not sure what your argument was in the first place. Do you simultaneously think Splash is unique in surviving on IP alone and that the Br'ers are somehow more popular than Tiana?