EPCOT New Play Pavilion to replace Epcot's Wonders of Life

monothingie

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Crazy to not carry on and complete this, especially if it was quite a way along. Epcot needs capacity but this tells me that they dont plan on spending any money other than completing the central hub
Honestly I'm glad that they realized this boondoggle before it opened. I'd rather have a closed off pavilion behind the berm as opposed to an open pavilion that vibes of the last 15 years of Inoventions.
 

Epcot82Guy

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Honestly I'm glad that they realized this boondoggle before it opened. I'd rather have a closed off pavilion behind the berm as opposed to an open pavilion that vibes of the last 15 years of Inoventions.

That is kind of my concern overall. For trying to fight the "future" problem that Epcot and TL have had, a number of these ex-FW designs seem like they will become dated more quickly than not. Maybe that's the point - to have them be updated more easily to stay relevant. But, Epcot was built that way, too, and we see how that was treated. Time will tell, I guess.
 

monothingie

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That is kind of my concern overall. For trying to fight the "future" problem that Epcot and TL have had, a number of these ex-FW designs seem like they will become dated more quickly than not. Maybe that's the point - to have them be updated more easily to stay relevant. But, Epcot was built that way, too, and we see how that was treated. Time will tell, I guess.
Sadly the only thing that would work in that space is a D or E ticket. What they proposed was not going to age well and be obsolete within 3-5 years. They'd have better luck converting into some type of uber high end lounge and restaurant.
 

James Alucobond

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but isn't that the whole resort? 4 parks full of photo ops and meet and greets? I don't think they then need to create an entire pavilion full of more artificial photo ops... Sure, add an extra photo op in the queue area of each attraction, but there is plenty to photograph already... everywhere...
Balance must be restored after removing the Morocco genital alcove.
 

_caleb

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but isn't that the whole resort? 4 parks full of photo ops and meet and greets? I don't think they then need to create an entire pavilion full of more artificial photo ops... Sure, add an extra photo op in the queue area of each attraction, but there is plenty to photograph already... everywhere...
Of course people are free to take photos anywhere they'd like! But rather than having long lines (that cause traffic jams) for a path side photo op, why not put a bunch of them in one place, where there can be a proper queue and CMs managing? Just like when they started doing more organized, indoor meet and greets, where guests are able to meet with variety of characters.

ETA: This is not my preference for the pavilion. Just what I thought they were going for and seems like an "easy" attraction to build/maintain.
 

bryanfze55

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Wait, is that a surprise to people? I've been screeching about this since Frozen came to the World Showcase, and especially when it came to the closure of Reflections of Earth.

"Epcot isn't 'Disney' enough" has been a top guest feedback sentiment for decades at this point.

Anyone looking to point fingers for shoehorned IP shouldn't be looking for someone named Bob, they should be looking at their fellow guests.
If Disney is gathering this sentiment from surveys - they could pretty easily use leading questions to direct the guest to select the answers they want to hear. I’d venture a lot of modern guests don’t even comprehend the alternative. IP is familiar and comfortable, and the alternative is unknown. It’s up to Disney, not the guest, to realize that familiarity and comfort breed mediocrity - as is nearly always true in life.
 

Bocabear

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I did a VERY pointed survey Years ago...before the Meet and Greets came to the Magic kingdom... The questions were so pointed towards wanting Meet and Greets instead of attractions it was ridiculous. "Would you like to:
A, Have a magical moment with Mickey and Minnie live for a meaningful and personal visit
B, Enjoy Longer Queues at existing attractions
C, Have crushed clam shells substituted for your favorite coffee
D, Have a case of ulcerative Collitis"
ok obviously I am joking, but it was kind of like this...the only way you could answer was to continually say you wanted more meet and greets in the parks.
 

James Alucobond

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I did a VERY pointed survey Years ago...before the Meet and Greets came to the Magic kingdom... The questions were so pointed towards wanting Meet and Greets instead of attractions it was ridiculous. "Would you like to:
A, Have a magical moment with Mickey and Minnie live for a meaningful and personal visit
B, Enjoy Longer Queues at existing attractions
C, Have crushed clam shells substituted for your favorite coffee
D, Have a case of ulcerative Collitis"
ok obviously I am joking, but it was kind of like this...the only way you could answer was to continually say you wanted more meet and greets in the parks.
It’s possible that they had already determined from previous research that more meet and greets were going to happen, so the subsequent surveys were about what form they would take. It’s not terribly different from the current surveys where they obviously know something’s wrong with the 50th and they’re trying to pinpoint the what.

Of course, it’s also possible that the survey was devised in service of some agenda as you suggest, though a good researcher should steer interested parties away from crafting surveys of that sort.
 

CaptainAmerica

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If Disney is gathering this sentiment from surveys - they could pretty easily use leading questions to direct the guest to select the answers they want to hear.
Yes, Disney spends lots of money gathering data that's contradictory to what guests actually want so they can deliberately give guests things they don't want in a grand conspiracy to drive satisfaction into the gutter and torpedo future profitability.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
To me, it is incomprehensible that this pavilion is not being reimagined as Wonders of Life 2.0 with health IPs and, specifically, Inside Out reimagining Cranium Command and something with Baymax. I would also welcome a Heimlich dark ride, modeled after his Chew Chew Train at Disney California Adventure.
Or just, you know, something original (and health related)

I know. Silly me.
 

ToTBellHop

Well-Known Member
Or just, you know, something original (and health related)

I know. Silly me.
Of all Future World (or whatever the hell they call this portion) pavilions, health should be the easiest to keep futuristic. We are well-aware if what we should be able to do in 20 or 30 years in medicine. Certainly in a more-definitive way than space travel. And I’m sure they could even find a pharma sponsor to be the Official Headache Medicine of Disney Parks or provide the fabulous employee health plans.
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
Of all Future World (or whatever the hell they call this portion) pavilions, health should be the easiest to keep futuristic. We are well-aware if what we should be able to do in 20 or 30 years in medicine. Certainly in a more-definitive way than space travel. And I’m sure they could even find a pharma sponsor to be the Official Headache Medicine of Disney Parks or provide the fabulous employee health plans.
If anything the general public is far more health concisions than they were in 1989.
 

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