Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Nubs70]

All this back and forth about what was said a year ago, it’s irrelevant. The virus has changed, arguing over whether the vaccines were touted as stopping infection or stopping serious illness (against alpha and beta) is pointless because they’re now being used against completely different strains and those statements don’t apply to delta and Omicron.

Just be thankful they are still effective at causing serious cases and death, that’s the most important part anyway.

Serious cases and death is a residual benefit. The most important was to give durable lasting prevention of infection, which it has not.

 

[Touchdown]

Serious cases and death is a residual benefit. The most important was to give durable lasting prevention of infection, which it has not.

No, we will always get sick, the main goal of health care is to prevent death and severe disease.

 

[Prince-1]

Just going to leave this here for you to ponder other collectors desires.

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You mean people realized that paying more than $50 for a cheap plastic bucket wasn't worth it???? Hmmmm, who woulda thunk.

 

[WDWTrojan]

Serious cases and death is a residual benefit. The most important was to give durable lasting prevention of infection, which it has not.

What? The point of the vaccine was to prevent people from getting seriously sick and dying. Nobody cares if you get infected but are asymptomatic or have temporary mild symptoms that do not require hospital care.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Serious cases and death is a residual benefit. The most important was to give durable lasting prevention of infection, which it has not.

Why don’t you explain to us your understanding of viral infections and vaccines. Then maybe these constant tidbits might make more sense.

 

[Trauma]

This debate that been going on for pages now is beyond stupid.

Here is all you need to know.

If you get your shots you will have EXCEPTIONALLY better outcomes then if you don’t.

Maybe that outcome is you don’t catch it at all.

Maybe you do and you get the sniffles.

There is no reason to not get vaccinated. It matters little what was said in the past or how they “marketed” them, things have changed.
I’m fully vaxxed and boosted. I caught omicron.

It wasn’t bad and I didn’t die.

Thank you Moderna I am a very satisfied customer.

 

[lazyboy97o]

This debate that been going on for pages now is beyond stupid.

It very much matters because the explosion of misinformation about how vaccines, infections and various other aspects of public health work will have far reaching negative consequences. People who just a few years ago mocked anti-vaxxers have now become militant anti-vaxxers who are seeking to do more than just allow “choice.“

 

[Andrew C]

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There were many discussions about” what the vaccine will do”. You are correct in saying many leaders and some in the actual field leaned towards preventing infections, there were many that weren’t sure and said it probably wouldn’t.
I have a folder of different articles from when COVID first hit through the last month and how things have changed. In everyone, it’s the science, and what we learn everyday that keeps the information changing. That’s a good thing. Here’s one article from back in December of 2020 actually questioning some that said about it not being infectious after we get the vaccine. It’s important to note that this was written before vaccines were widely available. Some of the trials they mentioned that needed to be performed weren’t. So when we say everyone was saying this or that, others weren’t.

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i know things have changed. I also know that vaccines did a good job at preventing infections with early variants. My beef is with some here choosing to omit that infection prevention was a key component with the vaccines, as called out my leaders and experts including Fauci. I’m not mocking the vaccines. If anything I’m mocking the people who want to say vaccines are only good for one thing and that’s how it always has been.

 

[disneygeek90]

Serious cases and death is a residual benefit. The most important was to give durable lasting prevention of infection, which it has not.

Tell me you don't understand science and advancements in medicine without telling me you don't understand science and advancements in medicine.

 

[Andrew C]

Again, infection is not binary, linear or constant. Those percentages given were odds. Every time one is exposed it is like spinning the giant wheel on The Price is Right to see if it lands on full blown infection.

Let’s say we have a vaccine that is 90% effective and 100 vaccinated people who are all exposed to an infectious viral load. That doesn’t mean 10 people will get sick. Each person is spinning their own wheel that is 90% no infection spaces and 10% infection spaces. It’s possible that nobody gets infect, it’s also possible that everyone gets infected and everything in between is possible with various probabilities.

But let’s say it is uniform and exactly 10 of the 100 people will get infected, it isn’t just one and done. If 15 minutes later the remaining 90 people are infected then that’s still 9 more who are infected. 15 minutes and do it again and it’s 8 more infected. Keeping doing that and eventually you’ll get everyone infected even with 90% efficacy. Decrease that efficacy and it’ll take less turns. Decrease the time between exposures and it’ll happen over a shorter period of time.

Just admit that the vaccines did well at preventing infection from the early variants, and that was a key component of their abilities, and this was touted by experts around the world…and then we can move on.

 

[Andrew C]

Yes, effective at preventing infection to a specific percentage that was always stated to be less than 100%. Nobody should think that preventing infection was never a goal or stated benefit

Thank you. That was my only beef.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Just admit that the vaccines did well at preventing infection from the early variants, and that was a key component of their abilities, and this was touted by experts around the world…and then we can move on.

You’re criticisms only make sense if it is all or nothing which you say you are not claiming.

 

[Lilofan]

It very much matters because the explosion of misinformation about how vaccines, infections and various other aspects of public health work will have far reaching negative consequences. People who just a few years ago mocked anti-vaxxers have now become militant anti-vaxxers who are seeking to do more than just allow “choice.“

The anti vaxxers use the 1A , freedom , individualism , liberty etc and voice to protect their speech but more counter speech directed towards them, more stringent ways to restrict them from what vaxx folks can take part in in daily life, are just some ways to address how wrong the anti vax are in their rhetoric . As the vaccines roll out , it is no surprise the misinformation spread by the anti vaxxers ramp up and they try to see which gullible ones out there join their group.

 

[Andrew C]

You’re criticisms only make sense if it is all or nothing which you say you are not claiming.

Lol. You are so stubborn. My criticism is of you not being able to admit that preventing infection has been an important attribute of these vaccines and has been stated in so many ways by leaders and experts since the vaccines started to come out, and even before that.

 

[LittleBuford]

So sad and senseless:

Hana Horka: Czech singer dies after catching Covid intentionally

Hana Horka's son tells the BBC his mother was unvaccinated but wanted to acquire immunity.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Trauma]

So sad and senseless:

Hana Horka: Czech singer dies after catching Covid intentionally

Hana Horka's son tells the BBC his mother was unvaccinated but wanted to acquire immunity.

www.bbc.co.uk

News story like this every day.

“Anti vaxer dies 1 week after anti vax rally”

Doesn’t matter. Doesn’t seem to move the needle at all.

This is just my opinion but I think the dumbest thing we did as a country so far was the Stimmy checks.

Those should have been flat out bribes to get people vaccinated. I would be willing to bet we would be at 95%+ vax rates if you got $2k after your second shot.

One thing greater than stupidity? Greed.

 

[Andrew C]

News story like this every day.

“Anti vaxer dies 1 week after anti vax rally”

Doesn’t matter. Doesn’t seem to move the needle at all.

This is just my opinion but I think the dumbest thing we did as a country so far was the Stimmy checks.

Those should have been flat out bribes to get people vaccinated. I would be willing to bet we would be at 95%+ vax rates if you got $2k after your second shot.

One thing greater than stupidity? Greed.

Would we get a bonus for every additional shot?

 

[Trauma]

Would we get a bonus for every additional shot?

How about not being dead?

 

[Andrew C]

How about not being dead?

That bonus hasn’t convinced many people. You just said that!

 

[correcaminos]

Would we get a bonus for every additional shot?

I do