Nubs70
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As were the findings published in The Lancet and reported by BloombergMeanwhile in Ontario, Canada:
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However, the data on infections continues to show very low, if any, efficacy vs. Omicron.
As were the findings published in The Lancet and reported by BloombergMeanwhile in Ontario, Canada:
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However, the data on infections continues to show very low, if any, efficacy vs. Omicron.
Keep posting that one. I've agreed that something is up in Ontario.Meanwhile in Ontario, Canada:
Me too, seeing how Covid was in my home I thought for sure we would all get it. We just wore the N95, stayed away best we could. Still, I feel like it's a matter of time we ll do get it espcially my wife and I with our WDW trip coming up.I haven't looked at these tweets in a while but holy crap 37% is wild. I am amazed every day that I keep dodging the bullet (knock on wood).
Get back to us when you can show that's happening all over the world and not just one province.Meanwhile in Ontario, Canada:
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The case rate continues to be higher for fully vaccinated people than either partially vaccinated or unvaccinated people.
I've got to get some stuff done so I don't have time to calculate the hospitalizations but there are 224 fully vaccinated people in the ICU, 18 partially vaccinated and 185 unvaccinated. There are a lot fewer people in the unvaccinated category so if calculated, this data will continue to show very high efficacy against severe outcomes. However, the data on infections continues to show very low, if any, efficacy vs. Omicron.
One thing I always caution. With the trials we never ever did randomized testing as part of the trial to catch asymptomatic. so when someone pulls that out as a "oh asymptomatic" well we never did check to begin with.
It was supposed to prevent infection as much as possible and now prevent even mild or moderate depending on what you're vaccinated with. There are varying degrees. Now I realize media likely didn't really go into not testing asymptomatic symptoms of trial patients regularly, but it was always there. Which is why I really never cared much about the NHL or whatever players who tested positive but had zero symptoms. We never measured that.
If you want to overwhelm and crash the healthcare system.So get vaccinated by [insert date here] because we are going to let Omicron rip 3 weeks later?
FL is conducting an investigation to see if "any laws were broken"??![]()
Orange County health director Dr. Raul Pino placed on administrative leave
Here's what we know so far:www.wftv.com
Is that likely to impact data coming out of Orange county or not so much?
Just another victim in the culture war.![]()
Orange County health director Dr. Raul Pino placed on administrative leave
Here's what we know so far:www.wftv.com
Is that likely to impact data coming out of Orange county or not so much?
I honestly am not sure they are a good test case. Contact sports have always been - at least in our schools - bigger spread events. I actually agree with any decision to stop testing asymptomatic but that's me. Again we *never recorded in the trials* and I mean outside of the days I got the shot, I never was tested randomly. So maybe it's me, but that's not a realistic measure compared to what we do IRL.I’m fascinated by the NHL stats because they (were) the perfect test group, they were basically 100% vaccinated and testing daily regardless of symptoms. No other group even came close to those criteria so it was the closest thing we had to a test group.
Unfortunately they’ve decided to stop testing players in a few weeks unless they show symptoms, too many positives, so that data is coming to an end.
They reported the other day that 75% of the league has now had Covid this season and 60% of the league has had Covid in the last 3 weeks. I can’t find any reports of even a single player hospitalized though.
I think it’s safe to say the vaccines don’t do much to stop asymptomatic Omicron but they’ve been incredibly good at keeping it mild, that’s good enough for me.
They must since all other tests seem to have one...they are not giving out some special test that doesn't already exist.Just wondering if anyone knows if the fed covid test give away, do the tests (unopened) have an expiration date?
Do we know what kind of testing they were using?I think it’s safe to say the vaccines don’t do much to stop asymptomatic Omicron but they’ve been incredibly good at keeping it mild, that’s good enough for me.
They willJust wondering if anyone knows if the fed covid test give away, do the tests (unopened) have an expiration date?
Adding on to the last comment, IgA antibodies also protect the mucous membranes. They act kind of like a trap lined with punjee sticks.The immune system does not respond instantaneously. It takes time and some viruses can attach to cells and begin replicating in minutes.
Says the guy who keeps trying to rewrite transmission as a binary constant. The math has been explained to you repeatedly.
No, there are things like mucus that protect against contagions.
Just wondering if anyone knows if the fed covid test give away, do the tests (unopened) have an expiration date?
So, it's like a foot race, say a 50 yard dash.a particularly fast replicating virus, like the delta and omicron variants, can gain a foothold before the memory cells can fully mobilize to fight the infection.
This is why I keep mentioning that I hope the nasal vaccine pans out. If it can stimulate the desired IgA response in the mucosa, then this might actually make a huge dent in symptomatic infections, and hence also, greatly reduce transmission.
Actually, that's exactly all the original Polio vaccine did. It did NOT prevent infection from poliovirus. Only .5% of poliovirus infections led to poliomyelitis, which makes it actually a pretty good comparison to COVID since most people, without any intervention at all, only had a mild illness. The vaccines were all about decreasing the chances of the infection progressing to paralytic poliomyelitis. Which the original Francis field trial results were 80-90% effective at preventing paralytic poliomyelitis. That's how they sold it. The switch to the Sabin vaccine in 1961 was because it was proven to be better at preventing transmission than the Salk vaccine, despite the risks of using a live virus. If the Salk vaccine was so perfect against all three: disease, infection, transmission... there wouldn't have even been a need to have debates about switching would there? You have made assumptions of what the polio vaccine must have done based on the outcome of reaching near-eradication. But they are just assumptions.Prior to COVID-19, when has this ever been said about a vaccine? When kids get vaccinated, does the pediatrician say, "this is to make sure they don't get a severe case of measles?"
I'm having trouble finding the quotes from Dr. Salk about protecting people from severe cases of Polio.
Do you suppose I can get a Figment popcorn bucket for each test? That would be MAGICAL!I ordered the 4 free tests and had no issues at the https://www.covidtests.gov link.
It's a joke though, 4? Some households have 10 or more people in the home. I am guessing the less wall off a family is and the more difficult it is for them to get tested, the more people they have in the home. Better than nothing I guess. I'll probably take those 4 tests to FL since it seems getting tested there is tough.
Actually, that's exactly all the original Polio vaccine did. It did NOT prevent infection from poliovirus. Only .5% of poliovirus infections led to poliomyelitis, which makes it actually a pretty good comparison to COVID since most people, without any intervention at all, only had a mild illness. The vaccines were all about decreasing the chances of the infection progressing to paralytic poliomyelitis. Which the original Francis field trial results were 80-90% effective at preventing paralytic poliomyelitis. That's how they sold it. The switch to the Sabin vaccine in 1961 was because it was proven to be better at preventing transmission than the Salk vaccine, despite the risks of using a live virus. If the Salk vaccine was so perfect against all three: disease, infection, transmission... there wouldn't have even been a need to have debates about switching would there? You have made assumptions of what the polio vaccine must have done based on the outcome of reaching near-eradication. But they are just assumptions.
Sterilizing immunity, like herd immunity and endemic are words that have been co-opted by anti-vaxers and others looking for justifications to do nothing. It's based on assumptions on how vaccines work, and what was measured and studied during historical vaccine development. It's really hard to tell when people are infected but have mild or no symptoms. Even today. All people could really measure, in the past, were the incidence rates of severe disease. You can't go back to the old studies about early vaccine development and see measurements of preventing infection, because that's not what they were concerned with.
Sterilizing immunity is called a "holy grail" by experts because they know how rare it is to actually happen. It's a bunch of revisionist history to claim that the experts were touting sterilizing immunity for this vaccine as it would go against all of their education and experience. I remember seeing a whole lot of in many cases records were NOT kept regarding prevention infection as it was not part of the study parameters regarding efficacy against severe illness and safety. And people getting really upset about that part being missing. I remember a lot of "we hope it prevents infection, but we don't know." What media and political leadership said only demonstrated their own understanding or lack thereof, of how vaccines work and their own ability to be drug along the lines of "wishful thinking."
I'm pretty sure I posted this article the last time the lack of sterilizing immunity was brought up: https://www.theatlantic.com/science...izing-immunity-myth-covid-19-vaccines/620023/
Experts talking in terms of myths and ideals, and about how far up the scale they can achieve with no belief that it could actually be 100%. Even referring to small pox as not sterilizing, although that and measles are the ones that are most normally associated with sterilizing immunity. Sure, these people who talk in these terms are going to go out and tell everyone from the beginning that Covid vaccines prevent infection. They didn't. But people would rather believe they were mislead instead of jumping to conclusions based on erroneous assumptions and wishful thinking.
Sold out already. 6 hour lines to get a popcorn bucket. I don’t understand what people are thinking sometimes.Do you suppose I can get a Figment popcorn bucket for each test? That would be MAGICAL!
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