Chip Chipperson
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Except for those areas where it's 75-80%. I'm sure it's no relief for the patients and staff in those areas to know that NYC is "only" 49% right now.
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Except for those areas where it's 75-80%. I'm sure it's no relief for the patients and staff in those areas to know that NYC is "only" 49% right now.
DisneyFan32
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Moderna CEO expects a second COVID booster will be needed later this year
Moderna Inc.'s CEO expects fully vaccinated people to need an additional COVID-19 booster shot later this year, as the efficacy of the first booster wanes...
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Is Fall 2022 will be much better than last year as if all people are vaccinated then the virus will mutating into harmless like common flu by next Winter.
JoeCamel
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Remember that guy is in the business of selling vaccineModerna CEO expects a second COVID booster will be needed later this year
Moderna Inc.'s CEO expects fully vaccinated people to need an additional COVID-19 booster shot later this year, as the efficacy of the first booster wanes...
Is Fall 2022 will be much better than last year as if all people are vaccinated then the virus will mutating into harmless like common flu by next Winter.
Andrew C
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Fortunately, we have the capacity that we do. Other countries are not so fortunate, including western ones.
Disneydad1012
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Regarding the NYC article posted above regarding kids hospitalized here's a good breakdown. Plus a great follow regarding covid.
DisneyCane
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"No, I don't think COVID is here to stay. But having COVID, in the environment here and the world, is probably here to stay."
I think those two sentences are mutually exclusive. Either it is here to stay (which in all likelihood it is) or it isn't. Can't be both.
hopemax
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This makes no sense. Hospitals should have sick people in them every day of the year. In 2019, we would have said 100% of people hospitalized are non-COVID. A sign of actual normalcy would be that most of the time the hospital is operating at 90%+ non-COVID. The fact that we can only say 43% are non-COVID is the problem.
DisneyCane
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If I'm reading correctly, the pediatric COVID admissions rate in New York State is around 0.58 per 100k per day and 40% of those are not admitted because of COVID. That makes the pediatric admission rate 0.35 per 100k per day or 0.00035% of the pediatric population per day.
To get up to a total of 0.1% of the pediatric population needing to be hospitalized due to COVID, it would take 286 days at the current level of spread. All of the projections are that the peak will come within weeks so there won't be anywhere near 286 days with this level of community transmission.
He gets credit for the nice use of pretty charts to scare parents into thinking that their unvaccinated children are at high risk.
DisneyCane
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We are talking about New York State at the present moment which is reporting 85k+ cases per day and likely has upwards of 200k infections per day. Only 57% of the COVID hospitalizations being because of COVID changes the narrative to an extent. Sure, that 57% is might be what is pushing occupancy over the edge at the moment but that level of daily infections can't possibly continue for that long. If 200k get infected per day, every person will have at least short term immunity in 3 months.
Chomama
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This is correct. Hospitals will recover as they have after every wave. I don’t think anyone is debating that. This is just gonna be a big one. It’s just ramping up in most parts of the US and lots of unvaccinated countries around the world. That’s gonna be rough
hopemax
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With that kind of argument, you wouldn't have to take any hospitalization numbers seriously, would you. If it was 20% COVID you'd say its not enough to matter, flu seasons do as much. If it was 80% it would be the same "can't possibly continue for that long." What percentage would be worrisome to you?
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hopemax
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And after so many people are so, so, so burned out. Medical errors happen, people aren't seen timely enough and the people potentially harmed aren't going to care that the surge lasted only 3 weeks instead of 2 months like the others. Staffing shortages are getting worse not better. Disney fans familiar with Kevin Yee's "Declining by degrees" observation could apply that to what is happening in health care. Failure isn't going to be some spectacular event obvious to everyone that it happened. Catastrophic failure might be, but do we need to wait for catastrophic failure? Isn't a more mundane appearing failure good enough reason to take notice?
TrainsOfDisney
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Saw that theaters in San Francisco are now requiring boosters... I think some in New York as well.
lazyboy97o
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Different day, same denial. Even if 100% of the patients were hospitalized with COVID as a secondary infection it would still be a problem. I’m not a doctor, but I’m pretty sure fewer infections is better than more infections. Something is driving up admissions which suggests COVID is at the least aggravating other issues such that they now require hospitalization.
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marymarypoppins
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Wow!! Should we also deny care to TYpe 2 diabetes patients since they did that to themselves ?
Vegas Disney Fan
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This is another of those charts that kind of makes both sides arguments at the same time…
5-12 age range in NY is only 27% fully vaccinated, 13-17 is 74% fully vaccinated yet the older age group has almost double the hospitalization rate per 100,000.
Obviously other factors come into play… socializing, jobs, sports, etc but the end result is mostly unvaccinated 5-12 year olds have about half the risk as mostly vaccinated 13-17 year olds.
Vaccinated 5-12 year olds can cut that risk in half but purely from a statistical perspective a one in a million chance isn’t that much different from a one in 2 million chance.
I don’t have kids so I don’t know what I’d decide but I’d have to seriously think about it given how low the odds are.
The EMTLA of 1986 forbids hospitals to deny care even if one cannot afford to pay.
marymarypoppins
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Good because the though of ANYONE being denied care is a sad thought!
lazyboy97o
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Unless it’s because a hospital is full and then that’s just “normal”?
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