Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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TrainChasers said:
It should never be suggested. Ever.

If someone chooses to not have a medical procedure, they still have the right to medical care. Period.
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Vaccines are hardly a procedure and the continued rationalization means you’re okay with others being denied care no matter how much you claim otherwise. People are being denied care and receiving reduced care because of the unvaccinated.
 
LittleBuford

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I saw this on the news and was as flabbergasted as I was disheartened. It’s amazing to me that there are medical professionals who feel this way (video is in the linked article):

news.sky.com

COVID-19: Sajid Javid directly challenged on mandatory coronavirus jabs by unvaccinated NHS doctor

Steve James, a consultant anaesthetist who has been treating coronavirus patients since the start of the pandemic, tells Health Secretary Sajid Javid about his displeasure with the government's policy of mandatory vaccination for NHS staff.
news.sky.com news.sky.com
 
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marymarypoppins

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LittleBuford said:
Your posts have suggested that the vaccines make minimal difference and that you may forego further boosters. I would characterise that as somewhat sceptical, though I’m happy to reconsider if you think I’m being unfair.
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I am not skeptical that it helps lessen the symptoms but feel it’s more of therapeutic than a vaccine.
 
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LittleBuford

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lazyboy97o said:
Vaccines are hardly a procedure and the continued rationalization means your okay with others being denied care no matter how much you claim otherwise. People are being denied care and receiving reduced care because of the unvaccinated.
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His point still stands. It is unethical to deny medical care to people just because we dislike the decisions they make, even if those decisions are spectacularly bad.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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LittleBuford said:
He doesn’t believe what he wrote; don’t take the bait.
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Yes, I do. Hospitals are filling up again and it is again being driven by the unvaccinated. Hospitals filling up mean people are being denied care and receiving a reduced level of care. So yes, I absolutely do believe that excusing the decision to not be vaccinated means accepting that it is okay for people to be denied care.
 
correcaminos

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Vegas Disney Fan said:
This is another of those charts that kind of makes both sides arguments at the same time…

5-12 age range in NY is only 27% fully vaccinated, 13-17 is 74% fully vaccinated yet the older age group has almost double the hospitalization rate per 100,000.

Obviously other factors come into play… socializing, jobs, sports, etc but the end result is mostly unvaccinated 5-12 year olds have about half the risk as mostly vaccinated 13-17 year olds.

Vaccinated 5-12 year olds can cut that risk in half but purely from a statistical perspective a one in a million chance isn’t that much different from a one in 2 million chance.

I don’t have kids so I don’t know what I’d decide but I’d have to seriously think about it given how low the odds are.
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Think about what? Just curious. The risk is not just to the kids if that's the way you're going. It's also to help stop spread to all. But that's me as a parent looking at cases that went from 40 ish per week per district to over 150. There's more than just hospitalizations. My kid got his 3rd shot in hopes to help keep him in school.
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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LittleBuford said:
His point still stands. It is unethical to deny medical care to people just because we dislike the decisions they make, even if those decisions are spectacularly bad.
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That’s not what I said. I didn’t say the criteria to deny care should be vaccination status. I said excusing those who are not unvaccinated means also includes acceptance of a denial of care. If you say it is okay for people to do something that fills up hospitals then you have to take responsibility for the consequences. If A causes B then you can’t say A is okay and you don’t like B.
 
TrainsOfDisney

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lazyboy97o said:
I said excusing those who are not unvaccinated means also includes acceptance of a denial of care. If you say it is okay for people to do something that fills up hospitals then you have to take responsibility for the consequences.
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So it’s not ok for people to have the right to smoke?
 
LittleBuford

LittleBuford

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lazyboy97o said:
That’s not what I said. I didn’t say the criteria to deny care should be vaccination status. I said excusing those who are not unvaccinated means also includes acceptance of a denial of care. If you say it is okay for people to do something that fills up hospitals then you have to take responsibility for the consequences. If A causes B then you can’t say A is okay and you don’t like B.
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Thank you for clarifying what you meant, and sorry for misinterpreting you.
 
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