Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Disney Analyst]

The odd thing is the graph was per 100,000… something is off with those numbers, maybe it was looking at totals rather than per 100,000 and was labeled wrong.

Something doesn’t add up though because that graphs opposite everything else we’ve seen.

Yeah not sure, I know in BC we have jumped to pretty large positive rates in the vaccinated community.

 

[Kman]

 

[Incomudro]

News today: "Fewer than 15% of U.S. children aged 5-11 have been fully vaccinated since Pfizer Inc (PFE.N) and BioNTech's COVID-19 shot was authorized for that age group in late October, federal data shows."

I find this info interesting. It's been 2 months, and I was expecting parents to be rushing their kids to get vaccinated, but apparently, both sides (for or against vaccination) are not into getting their young kids vaccinated.

COVID-19 hospitalization surge among U.S. children spurs new Omicron concerns

Within weeks, the Omicron variant has fueled thousands of new COVID-19 hospitalizations among U.S. children, raising new concerns about how the many unvaccinated Americans under the age of 18 will fare in the new surge.

www.reuters.com

Two whole months, huh?
People work, have busy lives...
A good portion of people are not going to rush out to get their kids vaccinated against an illness that presents a very low risk to those children, and yes - they are going to weigh that against what some will consider an unknown risk of future complications from the vaccine itself.
We may not, or may agree with them on that, but it's their decision.

 

[Incomudro]

I've also lived in the City and used the MTA every day. The point is that "freedoms" are causing disruption. The freedom to not vaccinate is racking up hospitalizations and fostering spread, and the "freedom" to gather however, whenever, and without masks is affecting services which affects others.

Interesting story on flight attendants today on NPR - part of the issue with delays is they have simply had it with dealing with "freedom" passengers and aren't taking the overtime options.




I'm sure the Jan 6 committee will deal with that, but this isn't a political thread.

Yeah, well... Freedoms do cause disruption.
Freedom is a pesky thing that way.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

So far Omicron is doing what we hoped and could be what turns the pandemic into an endemic, fingers crossed it continues on this path.

 

[DisneyCane]

When the majority are vaccinated, the majority of cases will be in the vaccinated.

Especially with Omicron which is just so much more easily caught, by all. Young, old, vaccinated, unvaccinated.

The key is that severe illness tends to still be in mostly unvaccinated individuals.

Here’s how BC breaks it down:


From Dec. 21-27, people not fully vaccinated accounted for 15.9% of cases.
From Dec. 14-27, they accounted for 57.6% of hospitalizations.

Past week cases (Dec. 21-27) - Total 14,030

• Not vaccinated: 2,033 (14.5%)
• Partially vaccinated: 203 (1.4%)
• Fully vaccinated: 11,794 (84.1%)

Past two weeks cases hospitalized (Dec. 14-27) - Total 132

• Not vaccinated: 76 (57.6%)
• Partially vaccinated: 0 (0.0%)
• Fully vaccinated: 56 (42.4%)

Past week, cases per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Dec. 21-27)

• Not vaccinated: 318.5
• Partially vaccinated: 82.6
• Fully vaccinated: 257.6

Past two weeks, cases hospitalized per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Dec. 14-27)

• Not vaccinated: 17.5
• Partially vaccinated: 0.0
• Fully vaccinated: 1.2

The chart I posted was cases per 100k in each category for Ontario, not total cases.

 

[DisneyCane]

Just curious why you specifically mentioned BinaxNow? Are they suggesting these specific rapid home tests cannot detect Omicron? Wife and I both came down with cold like symptoms so we both took the rapid tests we had and both of us tested negative.

Because @hopemax had mentioned testing prior to symptoms and the BinaxNOW box specifically says it is for testing symptomatic people.

The odd thing is the graph was per 100,000… something is off with those numbers, maybe it was looking at totals rather than per 100,000 and was labeled wrong.

Something doesn’t add up though because that graphs opposite everything else we’ve seen.

If you go to the website and mouse over the chart, it shows the data and is clearly cases per 100k, not total. I don't know what the explanation is but it seems that Ontario, Canada currently has a higher daily case rate for fully vaccinated people than partially vaccinated or non-vaccinated people.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Times Square Show Will Go on Despite Virus Surge, Mayor Says

New York City will ring in 2022 in Times Square as planned despite record numbers of COVID-19 infections in the city and around the nation, Mayor Bill de Blasio said Thursday.

www.newsmax.com

Great idea. Because we can’t just “exist” we need to “live”. Sorry, this is just one of the things that we can really do without. IMO

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Two whole months, huh?
People work, have busy lives...
A good portion of people are not going to rush out to get their kids vaccinated against an illness that presents a very low risk to those children, and yes - they are going to weigh that against what some will consider an unknown risk of future complications from the vaccine itself.
We may not, or may agree with them on that, but it's their decision.

It is their decision. But seriously, what parent would take a “low” risk over possibly a very very lower risk for their children. In my mind it’s a no brainer.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Great idea. Because we can’t just “exist” we need to “live”. Sorry, this is just one of the things thatwe can really do without. IMO

It's tough to say what the right approach is because the current situation is so different than a year ago.

When vaccines weren't available extra precaution was warranted. Masks and social distancing had an impact. With Omicron, unless everything shuts down the spread just seems completely inevitable. Cancelling NYE is irrelevant when everyone is going to get it from work, school, shopping, etc. anyway.

It's worth noting for the umpteenth time that if everyone had just gotten vaccinated we'd likely be completely okay with any events like this going on based on acceptable risk.

 

[Gringrinngghost]

77,848

COVID-19 update: Florida sets record again with 77,848 newly reported cases; hospitalizations double in a week

Florida reported 77,848 new COVID-19 cases on Thursday, busting the previous record set just one day earlier, and increased its total death count by 90, according to data from the U.S. Centers for …

www.sun-sentinel.com

Reminder 77,878 is backlog numbers because CDC reports 58,013 new cases from yesterday so 19,865 are backlog to previous days.

 

[BrianLo]

It's the price to be paid for the other 333 million people to not lose 2 years of their lives. Also, Canada is not at zero deaths either. It's about 1/3 adjusted for population and there are other variables besides mitigation that factor into the difference, population density being a huge factor.

I know you acknowledged it was anecdotal, but it’s really not that different up here. I’ve anecdotally been through several provinces and states and really the major difference is mask compliance and vaccine passport checks.

At the end of the day Canada has an average death rate per million adjusted of 792. The US is at 2551. Its best performers are Vermont (766) and Hawaii (755).

I’m actually not advocating that the US really needs to change anything other than push to vaccinate at this point. They don’t need to be more like Canada, they need to be more like Vermont. But cherry picking moments in time to prove nothing works is disingenuous. The inconvenient truth is mitigations and vaccinations do reduce Morbidity and Mortality. I don’t know what the correct ‘balance’ is, but from where I’m at I don’t think the US has hit it.

The prevailing sentiment I see from every canadian here doesn’t seem to be that we are oppressed. In fact most almost feel we could still do better.

 

[DCBaker]

Here's the latest dashboard from the Florida Hospital Association -

 

[Smooth]

Results from a 2014 study by the Virginia Commonwealth University's Department of Pediatrics demonstrated Guaifenesin had no effect as a either mucolytic or expectorant when compared to a placebo.[26] The results of this study were consistent with other published studies showing that Guaifenesin is not an effective medication for treating acute respiratory tract infections.[27]​

Guaifenesin - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

It works for me.

 

[Smooth]

Role of guaifenesin in the management of chronic bronchitis and upper respiratory tract infections - PMC

Guaifenesin, a mucoactive drug, acts by loosening mucus in the airways and making coughs more productive. It is used for relief of wet cough and chest congestion due to the common cold, and remains the only legally marketed expectorant in the US ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[DisneyCane]

Here's the latest dashboard from the Florida Hospital Association -

View attachment 610692

Do you have any of these saved from the Delta wave? I'm curious to see how different the percentage hospitalized are.

 

[DisneyCane]

77,848

COVID-19 update: Florida sets record again with 77,848 newly reported cases; hospitalizations double in a week

Florida reported 77,848 new COVID-19 cases on Thursday, busting the previous record set just one day earlier, and increased its total death count by 90, according to data from the U.S. Centers for …

www.sun-sentinel.com

Reminder 77,878 is backlog numbers because CDC reports 58,013 new cases from yesterday so 19,865 are backlog to previous days.

Thank you for breaking down the numbers. Nice of the unbiased media that isn't trying to sensationalize to report in a way to make it look much higher.

 

[hopemax]

Because @hopemax had mentioned testing prior to symptoms and the BinaxNOW box specifically says it is for testing symptomatic people.

Actually it doesn't. The FAQ sheet includes a description for serial testing as well as a 2-test regimen for people with or without symptoms.

I am aware that the rate for false negatives while asymptomatic, which is why we didn't take our negatives as a reason to not isolate. Just that at that moment, SARS-COV-2 was not detected. We have been and are staying home. Combined with the eventual arrival of symptoms, we find it unlikely that I was infected at the same time my Dad potentially was (7-8 days) which was the piece of information we were trying to suss out. Whatever I have likely came through household contact with him. Retaining negative status would be for future tests, including the PCR test I have scheduled on Monday. With inadequate testing structure we are limited to what we have; it's cludgy and imperfect

 

[fgmnt]

Many states did things a lot like Ontario. The vast majority of the US had some kind of stay at home order at the beginning so there was no give up right out of the gate.

What most Americans decided after some time was that we wanted to go on living and not just existing. From the descriptions (no personal experience) the good people of Ontario have lived significantly altered lives for 1 3/4 years to end up in the same spot as places who have just gone on relatively normally.

key word here being living. you know, not dead.

 

[Gringrinngghost]

This December vs Last December