Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Incomudro]

The MTA is shutting down whole lines because they don't have enough staff. Yesterday the W line was closed and service reduced on the other lines due to COVID.

We're not going to have a mandated shutdown. We're just going to have government controlled gatherings (like NYE Times Square) reduced or cancelled, individual reluctance, and system failures due to sickness.

The W line is dubbed the "Waste Line" by New Yorker's, considered largely a useless route.
I commuted on the NYC subway for 35 years.
In any event, the point is - it's hard to keep a densely populated city like NYC social distanced, and a large part of that is due to public transportation.
It's interesting to note that humans form cities to keep residences, goods, services and the access to them in local areas, and stress the virtues of public transportation economically, socially, and ecologically.
All of those qualities render people in those locations more vulnerable to certain difficulties.

 

[LovePop]

News today: "Fewer than 15% of U.S. children aged 5-11 have been fully vaccinated since Pfizer Inc (PFE.N) and BioNTech's COVID-19 shot was authorized for that age group in late October, federal data shows."

I find this info interesting. It's been 2 months, and I was expecting parents to be rushing their kids to get vaccinated, but apparently, both sides (for or against vaccination) are not into getting their young kids vaccinated.

COVID-19 hospitalization surge among U.S. children spurs new Omicron concerns

Within weeks, the Omicron variant has fueled thousands of new COVID-19 hospitalizations among U.S. children, raising new concerns about how the many unvaccinated Americans under the age of 18 will fare in the new surge.

www.reuters.com

 

[Angel Ariel]

News today: "Fewer than 15% of U.S. children aged 5-11 have been fully vaccinated since Pfizer Inc (PFE.N) and BioNTech's COVID-19 shot was authorized for that age group in late October, federal data shows."

I find this info interesting. It's been 2 months, and I was expecting parents to be rushing their kids to get vaccinated, but apparently, both sides (for or against vaccination) are not into getting their young kids vaccinated.

COVID-19 hospitalization surge among U.S. children spurs new Omicron concerns

Within weeks, the Omicron variant has fueled thousands of new COVID-19 hospitalizations among U.S. children, raising new concerns about how the many unvaccinated Americans under the age of 18 will fare in the new surge.

www.reuters.com

For my high risk kiddo, I was thrilled to be able to get her in 2 days after approval was announced. She’s now fully vaccinated and I feel much, much better - esp. with omicron now being what it is.

 

[willtravel]

Times Square Show Will Go on Despite Virus Surge, Mayor Says

New York City will ring in 2022 in Times Square as planned despite record numbers of COVID-19 infections in the city and around the nation, Mayor Bill de Blasio said Thursday.

www.newsmax.com

 

[MisterPenguin]

Guaifenesin/Musinex would be something to consider having in your home medicine cabinet.

Results from a 2014 study by the Virginia Commonwealth University's Department of Pediatrics demonstrated Guaifenesin had no effect as a either mucolytic or expectorant when compared to a placebo.[26] The results of this study were consistent with other published studies showing that Guaifenesin is not an effective medication for treating acute respiratory tract infections.[27]​

Guaifenesin - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[carolina_yankee]

The W line is dubbed the "Waste Line" by New Yorker's, considered largely a useless route.
I commuted on the NYC subway for 35 years.
In any event, the point is - it's hard to keep a densely populated city like NYC social distanced, and a large part of that is due to public transportation.
It's interesting to note that humans form cities to keep residences, goods, services and the access to them in local areas, and stress the virtues of public transportation economically, socially, and ecologically.
All of those qualities render people in those locations more vulnerable to certain difficulties.

I've also lived in the City and used the MTA every day. The point is that "freedoms" are causing disruption. The freedom to not vaccinate is racking up hospitalizations and fostering spread, and the "freedom" to gather however, whenever, and without masks is affecting services which affects others.

Interesting story on flight attendants today on NPR - part of the issue with delays is they have simply had it with dealing with "freedom" passengers and aren't taking the overtime options.

 

[correcaminos]

News today: "Fewer than 15% of U.S. children aged 5-11 have been fully vaccinated since Pfizer Inc (PFE.N) and BioNTech's COVID-19 shot was authorized for that age group in late October, federal data shows."

I find this info interesting. It's been 2 months, and I was expecting parents to be rushing their kids to get vaccinated, but apparently, both sides (for or against vaccination) are not into getting their young kids vaccinated.

COVID-19 hospitalization surge among U.S. children spurs new Omicron concerns

Within weeks, the Omicron variant has fueled thousands of new COVID-19 hospitalizations among U.S. children, raising new concerns about how the many unvaccinated Americans under the age of 18 will fare in the new surge.

www.reuters.com

Interestingly our ped stated they had personally given about 33% of all patients in that age group a shot. That did not include those who went elsewhere (and just reported vaccine info later). I am curious if that means some areas nearly have no kids vaccinated then. Given how it spread in the grade schools before break I wouldn't be shocked if people thought kids were now covered.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

News today: "Fewer than 15% of U.S. children aged 5-11 have been fully vaccinated since Pfizer Inc (PFE.N) and BioNTech's COVID-19 shot was authorized for that age group in late October, federal data shows."

I find this info interesting. It's been 2 months, and I was expecting parents to be rushing their kids to get vaccinated, but apparently, both sides (for or against vaccination) are not into getting their young kids vaccinated.

COVID-19 hospitalization surge among U.S. children spurs new Omicron concerns

Within weeks, the Omicron variant has fueled thousands of new COVID-19 hospitalizations among U.S. children, raising new concerns about how the many unvaccinated Americans under the age of 18 will fare in the new surge.

www.reuters.com

I’ve been watching those numbers also, the only logical answer is a lot of vaccinated parents are doing a risk assessment and deciding the risk to their kids is low enough they don’t need the vaccine.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Interestingly our ped stated they had personally given about 33% of all patients in that age group a shot. That did not include those who went elsewhere (and just reported vaccine info later). I am curious if that means some areas nearly have no kids vaccinated then. Given how it spread in the grade schools before break I wouldn't be shocked if people thought kids were now covered.

Probably first dose compared to fully vaccinated.

 

[KrzyKtty]

News today: "Fewer than 15% of U.S. children aged 5-11 have been fully vaccinated since Pfizer Inc (PFE.N) and BioNTech's COVID-19 shot was authorized for that age group in late October, federal data shows."

I find this info interesting. It's been 2 months, and I was expecting parents to be rushing their kids to get vaccinated, but apparently, both sides (for or against vaccination) are not into getting their young kids vaccinated.

COVID-19 hospitalization surge among U.S. children spurs new Omicron concerns

Within weeks, the Omicron variant has fueled thousands of new COVID-19 hospitalizations among U.S. children, raising new concerns about how the many unvaccinated Americans under the age of 18 will fare in the new surge.

www.reuters.com

I live in the deep south. When I shared on my community, and school pages, the announcement about children's vaccine's being approved, I was almost virtually beaten off the boards. I didn't even state whether they should or shouldn't do it, I said I was simply sharing the information for those that might not have known. The reaction was extraordinarily violent.

 

[correcaminos]

Probably first dose compared to fully vaccinated.

Don't think so based on their post and when it was. They were only doing their own patients though and scheduled both privately for parents (no clinics this time). I do have a very pro-vaccination office. To the point that they say if you do not want to follow the recommendations, that you should go elsewhere. They not insane about it. Like in 2019 we delayed the HPV shot simply because we had scheduled a day of decent labor with setting up a tree lot the day after and the HPV shot is known for fever and a lot of pain. They said no big to wait a few months as there is a range of years they suggest, so holding off was still on schedule. And then the pandemic hit and it was deemed not essential visit so we just did it a year later (no conflict with tree lot that year). So I would expect a very pro-vaccine office to be super high compared to average. That might mean some places have nearly zero. Given some counties in my state had less than 20% of all adults I shouldn't be shocked.

 

[correcaminos]

Results from a 2014 study by the Virginia Commonwealth University's Department of Pediatrics demonstrated Guaifenesin had no effect as a either mucolytic or expectorant when compared to a placebo.[26] The results of this study were consistent with other published studies showing that Guaifenesin is not an effective medication for treating acute respiratory tract infections.[27]

Guaifenesin - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Huh. Interesting. I stopped taking it when it actually would make me feel nauseous in addition to coughing. Bad combination lol

I use herbal (never menthol) cough drops to sooth after choking on food/water or irritation due to vocal chord damage while singing. The rest of it never worked. Though spouse said a perle cough pill worked

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

Even though we argue over everything else can we all agree NOT to hold 2022s beer?

 

[seascape]

The W line is dubbed the "Waste Line" by New Yorker's, considered largely a useless route.
I commuted on the NYC subway for 35 years.
In any event, the point is - it's hard to keep a densely populated city like NYC social distanced, and a large part of that is due to public transportation.
It's interesting to note that humans form cities to keep residences, goods, services and the access to them in local areas, and stress the virtues of public transportation economically, socially, and ecologically.
All of those qualities render people in those locations more vulnerable to certain difficulties.

I never take the subway. When I have to go to my Doctor at NYU, I walk from my home to the SI Ferry and then walk from Battery Park to NYU and do the same on the way home. I remeber at the start of Covid carefully crossing the street to avoid the covid testing sites. Walking outside in the fresh air is not only safe, provided you aren't in crowds, and is great exercise. Stay safe.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I’ve been watching those numbers also, the only logical answer is a lot of vaccinated parents are doing a risk assessment and deciding the risk to their kids is low enough they don’t need the vaccine.

And I'm sure there are parents who are taking a "wait and see" approach to make sure there isn't a side effect for their kids' demographic group that wasn't uncovered during the trials. If it stays this low in a few more months then I guess we'll know that my theory was wrong, but I think that number will gradually tick upwards for a little while.

 

[wdwmagic]

Ivermectin.

From the FDA

Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19​

Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19

Using the Drug ivermectin to treat COVID-19 can be dangerous and even lethal. The FDA has not approved the drug for that purpose.

www.fda.gov

 

[Disney Analyst]

You keep talking about Ontario as if spread is under control there due to all of the restrictions and vaccine passports. I looked at the official Ontario, Canada data page and found the current cases per day per 100k has a seven day average of 63.03 (which would be 441.21 the way the CDC calculates it for the 7 day period). If Ontario was a state in the US that would be a little below the national average and in the same range as Tennessee which has minimal mitigations and a low vaccination rate.

I also grabbed a screen shot of this interesting chart off of their page that shows the case rate is (somewhat significantly) higher in fully vaccinated people than it is in partially or non-vaccinated people. I'll leave it to somebody else to try and explain that data.

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When the majority are vaccinated, the majority of cases will be in the vaccinated.

Especially with Omicron which is just so much more easily caught, by all. Young, old, vaccinated, unvaccinated.

The key is that severe illness tends to still be in mostly unvaccinated individuals.

Here’s how BC breaks it down:


From Dec. 21-27, people not fully vaccinated accounted for 15.9% of cases.
From Dec. 14-27, they accounted for 57.6% of hospitalizations.

Past week cases (Dec. 21-27) - Total 14,030

• Not vaccinated: 2,033 (14.5%)
• Partially vaccinated: 203 (1.4%)
• Fully vaccinated: 11,794 (84.1%)

Past two weeks cases hospitalized (Dec. 14-27) - Total 132

• Not vaccinated: 76 (57.6%)
• Partially vaccinated: 0 (0.0%)
• Fully vaccinated: 56 (42.4%)

Past week, cases per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Dec. 21-27)

• Not vaccinated: 318.5
• Partially vaccinated: 82.6
• Fully vaccinated: 257.6

Past two weeks, cases hospitalized per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Dec. 14-27)

• Not vaccinated: 17.5
• Partially vaccinated: 0.0
• Fully vaccinated: 1.2

 

[Epcotfan21]

When did you go back? Was the negative test BinaxNOW or done by a lab?

Just curious why you specifically mentioned BinaxNow? Are they suggesting these specific rapid home tests cannot detect Omicron? Wife and I both came down with cold like symptoms so we both took the rapid tests we had and both of us tested negative.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

When the majority are vaccinated, the majority of cases will be in the vaccinated.

Especially with Omicron which is just so much more easily caught, by all. Young, old, vaccinated, unvaccinated.

The key is that severe illness tends to still be in mostly unvaccinated individuals.

Here’s how BC breaks it down:


From Dec. 21-27, people not fully vaccinated accounted for 15.9% of cases.
From Dec. 14-27, they accounted for 57.6% of hospitalizations.

Past week cases (Dec. 21-27) - Total 14,030

• Not vaccinated: 2,033 (14.5%)
• Partially vaccinated: 203 (1.4%)
• Fully vaccinated: 11,794 (84.1%)

Past two weeks cases hospitalized (Dec. 14-27) - Total 132

• Not vaccinated: 76 (57.6%)
• Partially vaccinated: 0 (0.0%)
• Fully vaccinated: 56 (42.4%)

Past week, cases per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Dec. 21-27)

• Not vaccinated: 318.5
• Partially vaccinated: 82.6
• Fully vaccinated: 257.6

Past two weeks, cases hospitalized per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (Dec. 14-27)

• Not vaccinated: 17.5
• Partially vaccinated: 0.0
• Fully vaccinated: 1.2

The odd thing is the graph was per 100,000… something is off with those numbers, maybe it was looking at totals rather than per 100,000 and was labeled wrong.

Something doesn’t add up though because that graphs opposite everything else we’ve seen.

 

[DisneyFan32]

How is NJ Transit will lifting masks for trains and buses by early/late Spring 2022?