Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Disney Experience]

It might be good to ask without judgment as to why if you feel safe. You never know maybe you can reach. But yes, being a jerk won't help.

I'll be honest I wasn't even a guinea pig as much as others say. I use it to hush up guinea pig criers. Reality is I was phase 2/3 and while I worried some about side effects I wasn't testing dosing like phase 1. Before that too the vaccines evolved from other viruses so I really wasn't among the first. I was glad to do it and I absolutely use it to hush people up. I say it to remind those who don't trust, that there are people who have been vaccinated for a year and a half (for earlier ones). I trust science even if I hate needles. It's definitely a powerful aid to help some. Though I did have a neighbor and former friend block me because of it on facebook. Quite glad our kids didn't remain friends tbh. One less thing to worry about.

Yep I agree, the phase 1 people are the biggest risk takers in the trial(s).

They only have animal, lab, theoretical work, and past research to gauge the risk they are taking. If it goes south really bad in a big way, they (about 360 participants) are the ones to suffer those consequences.
Those of us in Phase 2 and Phase 3 (~15,000 who got the vaccine originally) only had to worry about it going wrong in a bit less common way. Just had my booster trial post 30 day phone call. Told them of the day after booster events which are considered adverse effects, but honestly those effects would never stop me from getting the booster if I had to do it again. Having had moderate covid-19 post original 2-dose vaccine I would still get a booster over risking moderate or worse covid any day.


The original May 2020 Pfizer press release: Wow, May 2020 they were already in Phase 1/2.

Pfizer and BioNTech Dose First Participants in the U.S. as Part of Global COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine Development Program

Pfizer Inc. (NYSE: PFE) and BioNTech SE (Nasdaq: BNTX) announced today that the first participants have been dosed in the U.S. in the Phase 1/2 clinic

www.businesswire.com

 

[Chip Chipperson]

It’s not a start when they don’t come out until we are likely on the back end of the Covid surge. Too late quite simply.

I guess all we can do to limit cases in the meantime is mitigate with masks and vaccines.

 

[dreday3]

They're just like us, making decisions on the information they see and read and their experience and have the same concerns as everyone else. Doesn't mean they are making the right decision, doesn't mean they are experts in immunology, genetics, and the type of science needed to really understand how vaccines work. Doctors are by far making the decision to be vaccinated.

That's a nice way of putting it.
If I found out my healthecare provider chose not to be vaccinated, I would not trust in their medical decision making and find a new provider.

 

[Andrew C]

I guess all we can do to limit cases in the meantime is mitigate with masks and vaccines.

Yep. It would be nice to have additional tools available. But, here we are.

 

[Disney Analyst]

As I've pointed out multiple times now, some of the most vaccine-hesitant individuals out there are people of colour and members of ethnic minorities. This is a reality in both the US and the UK (I can't speak to the situation in Canada). Some of you take comfort in imagining the unvaccinated as boorish reactionaries who vote a particular way, but you are painting a grossly simplistic picture. I'm tired of it.

Vaccine-hesitant, especially among minorities, is very different then who I was thinking of.

 

[Andrew C]

Vaccine-hesitant, especially among minorities, is very different then who I was thinking of.

Different topic. But I hear BC is canceling surgeries starting in January? Not good.

 

[LittleBuford]

How many times does something like this have to be posted? Yes, people of color are more hesitant than caucasians but there is a huge divide between voting populations.
You say you are in London? There is a strong bias against immigrants there, are you one? That was a huge factor in why you got Brexit no?

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Nowhere did I deny that there is also a political correlation. My point was only that many of you gleefully disparaging the unvaccinated are, whether you realise it or not, also talking about individuals that belong to certain historically marginalised communities that vote totally the other way.

London is a case in point (and yes, I am an immigrant myself). As a city, we voted overwhelmingly against Brexit yet have among the worst vaccine takeup in the UK.

 

[MisterPenguin]

As I've pointed out multiple times now, some of the most vaccine-hesitant individuals out there are people of colour and members of ethnic minorities. This is a reality in both the US and the UK (I can't speak to the situation in Canada). Some of you take comfort in imagining the unvaccinated as boorish reactionaries who vote a particular way, but you are painting a grossly simplistic picture. I'm tired of it.

That's quite a sweeping generalization there. Consider this:

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Vaccination rates among Blacks trail Whites by 7 percentage points.​

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Among Latines, rates trail Whites by 2 percentage points.​

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Among Asians, it is Whites who trail Asians by 18%!!​

However, over time the gap between Whites and Blacks/Latines has been closing.

Now, is that 7 percentage points between Blacks and Whites that significant? Consider this:

The average fully vaccinated rate of the U.S. is 64%​

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The average of the top ten most vaccinated U.S. states is about 74%. That's 10 points over the average.​

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The average of the top ten least vaccinated U.S. states is about 50%. That's 14 points below the average.​

So, the difference between the top ten and the bottom ten is 24%.

That kinda puts the 7% difference between Black and White in perspective.

Consider also this: in Mississippi and Louisiana, Black vaccination rates surpasses White by 4 points.

 

[Andrew C]

That's quite a sweeping generalization there. Consider this:

​

Vaccination rates among Blacks trail Whites by 7 percentage points.​

​

Among Latines, rates trail Whites by 2 percentage points.​

​

Among Asians, it is Whites who trail Asians by 18%!!​

However, over time the gap between Whites and Blacks/Latines has been closing.

Now, is that 7 percentage points between Blacks and Whites that significant? Consider this:

The average fully vaccinated rate of the U.S. is 64%​

​

The average of the top ten most vaccinated U.S. states is about 74%. That's 10 points over the average.​

​

The average of the top ten least vaccinated U.S. states is about 50%. That's 14 points below the average.​

So, the difference between the top ten and the bottom ten is 24%.

That kinda puts the 7% difference between Black and White in perspective.

Consider also this: in Mississippi and Louisiana, Black vaccination rates surpasses White by 4 points.

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Some of these rates just boggle my mind.

 

[JoeCamel]

That's quite a sweeping generalization there. Consider this:

​

Vaccination rates among Blacks trail Whites by 7 percentage points.​

​

Among Latines, rates trail Whites by 2 percentage points.​

​

Among Asians, it is Whites who trail Asians by 18%!!​

However, over time the gap between Whites and Blacks/Latines has been closing.

Now, is that 7 percentage points between Blacks and Whites that significant? Consider this:

The average fully vaccinated rate of the U.S. is 64%​

​

The average of the top ten most vaccinated U.S. states is about 74%. That's 10 points over the average.​

​

The average of the top ten least vaccinated U.S. states is about 50%. That's 14 points below the average.​

So, the difference between the top ten and the bottom ten is 24%.

That kinda puts the 7% difference between Black and White in perspective.

Consider also this: in Mississippi and Louisiana, Black vaccination rates surpasses White by 4 points.

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Thank you for doing the work

 

[LittleBuford]

That's quite a sweeping generalization there. Consider this:

​

Vaccination rates among Blacks trail Whites by 7 percentage points.​

​

Among Latines, rates trail Whites by 2 percentage points.​

​

Among Asians, it is Whites who trail Asians by 18%!!​

However, over time the gap between Whites and Blacks/Latines has been closing.

Now, is that 7 percentage points between Blacks and Whites that significant? Consider this:

The average fully vaccinated rate of the U.S. is 64%​

​

The average of the top ten most vaccinated U.S. states is about 74%. That's 10 points over the average.​

​

The average of the top ten least vaccinated U.S. states is about 50%. That's 14 points below the average.​

So, the difference between the top ten and the bottom ten is 24%.

That kinda puts the 7% difference between Black and White in perspective.

Consider also this: in Mississippi and Louisiana, Black vaccination rates surpasses White by 4 points.

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Yes, I consider the 7% difference significant. Whenever anyone in this forum dares to suggest that the percentage of young people dying from COVID is small, they are roundly (and rightly) criticised. But now you want me to concede that 7% is too small to matter.

 

[LittleBuford]

Vaccine-hesitant, especially among minorities, is very different then who I was thinking of.

That's precisely my point. It's all too easy to perpetuate crude stereotypes of unvaccinated people when you only allow yourself to imagine them as your enemies.

 

[correcaminos]

That's quite a sweeping generalization there. Consider this:

​

Vaccination rates among Blacks trail Whites by 7 percentage points.​

​

Among Latines, rates trail Whites by 2 percentage points.​

​

Among Asians, it is Whites who trail Asians by 18%!!​

However, over time the gap between Whites and Blacks/Latines has been closing.

Now, is that 7 percentage points between Blacks and Whites that significant? Consider this:

The average fully vaccinated rate of the U.S. is 64%​

​

The average of the top ten most vaccinated U.S. states is about 74%. That's 10 points over the average.​

​

The average of the top ten least vaccinated U.S. states is about 50%. That's 14 points below the average.​

So, the difference between the top ten and the bottom ten is 24%.

That kinda puts the 7% difference between Black and White in perspective.

Consider also this: in Mississippi and Louisiana, Black vaccination rates surpasses White by 4 points.

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Feel free to use Latinos or Latin people. Latine has some following but not as much as Latin.

But thank you for pointing out the numbers. Depends on where you live what you'll see. I know in some region the immigrants even outpace those who are not.

The hesitation has nothing to do with outside of a general distrust. Even I distrust medical personnel to treat my family fairly, so I get those hesitations more IME those who are hesitant like that can be helped and swayed. Let's also not forget lack of access, reliable transportation, time off etc are also factors.

The differences between my loved ones who are POC and more tin foil hat types are stark.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

You dont have to. Just dont complain about how tight the labor market is.

No need. They weed themselves out. Unvaccinated = not qualified. No common sense.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Yes, I consider the 7% difference significant. Whenever anyone in this forum dares to suggest that the percentage of young people dying from COVID is small, they are roundly (and rightly) criticised. But now you want me to concede that 7% is too small to matter.

Yeah, but when you say "people of colour and members of ethnic minorities" did you just mean 'Blacks'?

Because when you include Latines and Asains, there ain't much of a gap anymore.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Feel free to use Latinos or Latin people. Latine has some following but not as much as Latin.

As someone who has studied actual Latin, the -es ending to create plurals comes much more natural to me, and it is, IMO, a fitting alternative to the -os, and -as, and... very understandable to English speakers, who use -es for plurals, especially considering how English is the new Lingua Franca (a triply ironic phrase).

IOW, I'm just O.G.

 

[LittleBuford]

Yeah, but when you say "people of colour and members of ethnic minorities" did you just mean 'Blacks'?

No, I didn't. As I made clear, I was referring to the situation in my home country also, where the issue extends to communities like mine that are ethnic minorities but not Black.

 

[Disney Analyst]

That's precisely my point. It's all too easy to perpetuate crude stereotypes of unvaccinated people when you only allow yourself to imagine them as your enemies.

I was speaking solely of those who’s entire agenda is to spread misinformation, which preys on minorities who are already hesitant and fearful of vaccines and or medicine. It’s a very challenging dynamic in those groups.

But ethnic minorities are not the ones out there actively endangering others, or working to misinform.

And I am not sure if I jumped in at the wrong time, as my entire post was about admiring how you seek out the positive, seek the best, and ask for kindness. Which I agreed with.

I just also understand how many are frustrated and over a segment of people actively misinforming, who we seem to no longer have a way to engage with.

 

[Tony the Tigger]

September of this year may have worked. Even October possibly.

I know he can’t see my posts, but I’m responding for the group.

You know what else would have worked? The expected number of people getting vaccinated instead of being fools. Simple.

 

[hopemax]

I was trying to find a tweet I saw earlier, but can’t find it, that among minorities the reasons for not being vaccinated still involve a lot about logistics. Finding a convenient spot, at the time they can go, worries about needing a day off, losing pay etc. Logistical concerns can be overcome with advocacy.

Unlike the other group which involves changing minds about fundamental concepts. I flat out told my Dad that it sounded like it didn’t matter what the virus did or what new we learned at this point, he had made his decision and that was the most important thing. I personally know he doesn’t want to be viewed as that stubborn, I wouldn’t try that on a random stranger. Challenged him to demonstrate a willingness to respond to new information, and that’s when we got to more of the questions.