Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Joesixtoe]

Making things up isn’t learning.

What from history am I making up?

 

[Joesixtoe]

Those odds affect us because we want things like supply chain issues to end and things like masks to disappear but we’re stuck with them thanks to people who refuse to be vaccinated.

What questions remain?

I’m honestly trying to understand the other side, there’s unlimited amounts of evidence that the vaccines work (unless you think this is a global conspiracy and somehow every nation on earth is secretly in collusion to deceive you), I’m genuinely curious what’s so questionable about the vaccines that someone would rather risk their life than get one.

The vaccines provide 4-6 months of great, great protection from serious illness. After that then you will need to get a booster. As of right now that is what seems to be trending is the need for more boosters. This so far will spike up antibodies every 6 or so months. I have people close to me whom I'm happy that got the vaccine because they are in the category of which covid effects most. So now that I've shown I'm not against vaccines, there are a few things. 1. The fact that our country has decided to disregard the naturally immune. Why? You recieve antibodies when you recover from covid, you also recieve antibodies from the vaccine. Why is one road better than the other? They both get to the same destination. Also early treatment is tremendously important in prevention of severe illness and I don't think that's preached enough. The vaccines have not been around long enough to prove long term studies of potential side effects. Why the hate for potential medications that are safe for people to take? Yes there is some evidence for and some against for the effectiveness of these treatments, but I can say personally I felt a weight lifted off me after 2 hrs of taking one of these medicines. Point is why not try? Anyway I won't dive into those, I believe it helped me, but that's anecdotal. Lastly this virus has a less the .5% death rate(lower and lower by age), yet the whole world flipped upside down and our economy, mental health ect took a big hit and there is threat of doing these things again. So you asked why people don't get vaccinated, these are some of the reasons, there are more, but I'm not hating anyone for taking the vaccine, I simply am just against forcing individuals to get it.

 

[Joesixtoe]

Your studies were NOT peer reviewed. I can throw out any study I want but doesn't mean it's valid. Look at the whole autism causes vaccines by a doctor who was supposed to be studying something entirely different and then flat out lied with data. The study you chose is cherry picking what it wants to fit your narrative. If found true, fine, but non peer reviewed and picking only data they want is not a valid study. Quit being anti-vax and just get your damn shots if you can so that those who legit cannot will be better protected.


Nope, I am not. My post was directly in response to your "study" I don't play like that. I flat out quoted your study and showed its issues. When searching for your info posted I found articles talking about the issues with your findings. Not all studies are equal. At this point I'm done with this back and forth. Your comments are so dangerous but you stick by them. You have been anti-vax from day one that I can find in this thread. I have zero, and I mean zero, patience for that.

This is the graph from the Isreal study that shows they followed the vaccinated starting from 0-2 months. You said the study didn't show that, but from 6 months out. Again this study is in favor of everyone getting boosters, so this isn't an anti-vaccinated study.

 

[Bob Harlem]

UF has put out a new Covid projection model for Florida including Omicron https://epi.ufl.edu/covid-19-resour...lorida-covid-19-omicron-wave-projections.html Similar to the delta one that turned out to be quite accurate until Omicron hit. Difference here is case peak is higher than any other wave and is expected in February, although deaths are projected lower than any other wave. The only caveat is the peak may wind up weeks sooner than this indicates based on recent South African data.

 

[Gringrinngghost]

Dang it, COVID-19 variants. YOU'RE RUINING CHRISTMAS SEASON BECAUSE OMICORN VARIANT!

The Rockettes have reportedly among the New York Theatre crowd of having very lax mask enforcement.

Additionally I’ve heard that the Rockettes production alone has 30 positive cases — currently. That’s why they have cancelled the remainder of the shows run.

 

[Lilofan]

The Rockettes have reportedly among the New York Theatre crowd of having very lax mask enforcement.

Additionally I’ve heard that the Rockettes production alone has 30 positive cases — currently. That’s why they have cancelled the remainder of the shows run.

The Rockettes should be covering their faces with masks moving forward but don't cover up those long beautiful legs!

 

[DisneyCane]

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I was just going to ask specifically about this, as a FL resident.

In Florida, at least with the OSHA rule, an employer can comply with both by having a testing option at employer expense. With the CMS rule it isn't possible to comply with both since it doesn't include a testing option. It's good that the CMS rule is at SCOTUS first because that conflict needs to be resolved ASAP.

 

[DisneyFan32]

COVID 'Viral Blizzard' Will Soon Hit US, Health Experts Predict

COVID 'Viral Blizzard' Will Soon Hit US, Health Experts Predict. The combination of Delta and Omicron COVID-19 variants will create conditions which may make a "viral blizzard" possible. Experts note the rise of COVID-19 hospitalizations in major cities, . as well as lines for COVID-19 testing that have been seen to stretch for miles as evidence of what may be ahead. We're really just about to experience a viral blizzard, Michael Osterholm, Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy, via CNN. In the next three to eight weeks, we're going to see millions of Americans are going to be infected with this virus, .., Michael Osterholm, Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy, via CNN. ...and that will be overlaid on top of Delta, and we're not yet sure exactly how that's going to work out, Michael Osterholm, Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy, via CNN. Health experts say that the strain on the healthcare system is likely to worsen. What you have here right now is a potential perfect storm, Michael Osterholm, Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy, via CNN. I've been very concerned about the fact that we could easily see a quarter or a third of our health care workers quickly becoming cases themselves, Michael Osterholm, Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy, via CNN. President Joe Biden stated that the outlook for the unvaccinated was grim. For the unvaccinated, we are looking at a winter of severe illness and death, President Joe Biden, via CNN. But there's good news if you're vaccinated and you have your booster shot, you're protected from severe illness and death, President Joe Biden, via CNN. Biden reiterated the effectiveness of initial vaccines and booster shots. Vaccination rates have increased by nearly 22 percent from a month ago

Oh, no. I've bad feeling about this Winter now.... @JoeCamel

 

[DisneyCane]

The Rockettes have reportedly among the New York Theatre crowd of having very lax mask enforcement.

Additionally I’ve heard that the Rockettes production alone has 30 positive cases — currently. That’s why they have cancelled the remainder of the shows run.

Yes. That's why they are having issues. You can't say they are unvaccinated so the blame must be lax masking because every COVID case must be the result of somebody not "doing the right thing."

It's time to accept and come to terms with the fact that it is a highly transmissible respiratory virus, even moreso with Omicron. The is nothing that will drastically slow the spread during an outbreak short of not having humans in close contact with each other at all.

Get vaccinated and boosted so that you minimize your risk of a serious outcome from COVID and get on with your life. Either that or stay home in quarantine and make sure your entire household does the same because that's the only way that your risk of infection will be near zero (this may not even be true in an apartment, condo or townhouse that shares walls).

 

[DisneyCane]

UF has put out a new Covid projection model for Florida including Omicron https://epi.ufl.edu/covid-19-resour...lorida-covid-19-omicron-wave-projections.html Similar to the delta one that turned out to be quite accurate until Omicron hit. Difference here is case peak is higher than any other wave and is expected in February, although deaths are projected lower than any other wave. The only caveat is the peak may wind up weeks sooner than this indicates based on recent South African data.

Thier model has been very accurate to the reality that ended up happening. I would expect the omicron wave to be very close to this so prepare for 6-8 weeks of media panic over "the numbers."

 

[DisneyFan32]

Thier model has been very accurate to the reality that ended up happening. I would expect the omicron wave to be very close to this so prepare for 6-8 weeks of media panic over "the numbers."

I'm scared about omicron wave. This is going to be nightmare of winter soon. NOOO! Mask mandate will be longer for trains, buses and planes for years. The wave will be more longer now.

 

[DisneyCane]

I'm scared about omicron wave. This is going to be nightmare of winter soon. NOOO! Mask mandate will be longer for trains, buses and planes for years. The wave will be more longer now.

The good news is that if this model is correct I'll be able to go to WDW in January and have 20 minute waits for the headliners without Genie+ or ILL!

 

[DisneyFan32]

The good news is that if this model is correct I'll be able to go to WDW in January and have 20 minute waits for the headliners without Genie+ or ILL!

I hope omicron wave is not gonna happen soon this Winter.

 

[hopemax]

The good news is that if this model is correct I'll be able to go to WDW in January and have 20 minute waits for the headliners without Genie+ or ILL!

Are you considering the reduced hours, closures and lowered capacity in places because too much staff is out sick on the same day?

Healthcare staff is the first group that everyone is concerned with, but it will be any place with an in-person work force. I expect schools, in places, will have to be virtual or closed for 1-2 weeks just because there won’t be enough subs to cover all the people that are out. Same with fast food restaurants and other things we are used to being open and staffed whenever we need them. Everyone getting sick at the same time presents short term operational challenges.

 

[mmascari]

The study out of Isreal showed how those who recovered from covid but were unvaccinated had a lower reinfection rate than those who where vaccinated. You don't have to believe that, I get it, I don't believe everything I read either.

The study also showed that people who vaccinated after having COVID and people who had a third dose were better off than both other groups. The result doesn’t show something else is better than vaccination, it shows that 2 doses is not enough. That at least 1 more is needed.

So good that we agree, that study shows the argument that everyone should be vaccinated. That everyone should have at least 3 doses based on what we know so far.

I don't believe that vaccinated people spread the virus to a drastically lower degree than those who aren't. Just simply look at the states and countries who have high vaccinated rates, with high covid numbers. Look at the sports world as well, they are missing games left and right. To say it's mainly or even a high majority of viral transmission is from the unvaccinated, I think isn't correct.

If you don’t believe vaccination is slowing transmission, that it’s not the fact that the vaccinated are interacting with a large pool of unvaccinated and infectious people primarily. Hence raising the number of vaccinated also spreading. If you believe the number is equivalent. Then, the obvious outcome is that everyone will eventually be infected. Then reinfected again, and again, and again. In that scenario, vaccination provides better outcomes. Including vaccination after an infection. This reinforces that everyone should be vaccinated to avoid societal and personal issues. Simply catching COVID is still not the better plan.

The vaccines provide 4-6 months of great, great protection from serious illness. After that then you will need to get a booster. As of right now that is what seems to be trending is the need for more boosters. This so far will spike up antibodies every 6 or so months.

After 2 doses. We don’t know how long effectiveness lasts after 3 doses yet. There is no “every 6 months”, just after the first 6 months. Maybe it is every 6 months, maybe it stretches to 12 or 24 or 60 or 120 months. We don’t know yet.

No matter which it is, if recovering from COVID is following relatively the same path, then it’s still better to get vaccinated and switch from cycles of catching COVID to cycles of getting vaccinated.

1. The fact that our country has decided to disregard the naturally immune. Why? You recieve antibodies when you recover from covid, you also recieve antibodies from the vaccine. Why is one road better than the other? They both get to the same destination.

You quite literally just said they wear out. That the vaccine wasn’t effective enough. If they’re equal, prior infection is also not enough. Unless you’re boosting prior infection with subsequent infection, you’ll need to boost it with vaccination.

It doesn’t matter which is more right here, in all scenarios getting vaccinated is better. We’ll eventually know if that’s 3 or more doses and how to spread them out. I’m glad we didn’t wait the years to get the full course determined before starting to take any doses.

Also early treatment is tremendously important in prevention of severe illness and I don't think that's preached enough.

Getting vaccinated is easier, cheaper, not time sensitive, and less risky than any other treatment after infection option. There is more information known about vaccination and the vaccines than any other treatment after infection option.

If you think someone may catch COVID at any time in the future, getting vaccinated before that prevents severe illness better than trying to time any other treatment in the first few days.

The vaccines have not been around long enough to prove long term studies of potential side effects.

It has. It’s been explained many times here. The mechanics of vaccination don’t allow for new side effects later. The only long term studies that would happen are about dealing with an effect that happed in the first 2 months or an effect that’s so rare it’s never been seen. The second isn’t really a long term effect, it’s a sample size problem. We’re so far past small sample size, it’s not a worry now.

So you asked why people don't get vaccinated, these are some of the reasons, there are more, but I'm not hating anyone for taking the vaccine

Except none of those were reasons to not get vaccinated. They’re excuses people say, not reasons. Since all of the reasons say getting vaccinated is the best option.

I simply am just against forcing individuals to get it.

Nobody is being forced. They’re being told making that decision is also making the decision to not participate in large chunks of society. Just like the person who decides to never bathe is told not to participate.

 

[hopemax]

UF has put out a new Covid projection model for Florida including Omicron https://epi.ufl.edu/covid-19-resour...lorida-covid-19-omicron-wave-projections.html Similar to the delta one that turned out to be quite accurate until Omicron hit. Difference here is case peak is higher than any other wave and is expected in February, although deaths are projected lower than any other wave. The only caveat is the peak may wind up weeks sooner than this indicates based on recent South African data.

According to that model, they looked at 2 different severity outcomes. .25 of Delta or .5 of Delta. Both options represent significant “reduced severity” but the .5 option combined with moderate increased transmissibility and high immune escape has a death peak of about the same as Delta. Higher increased transmissibility, moderate immune escape and .5 severity has a death curve higher than Delta. 2 of their 4 models are Delta bad and these are as they say “possible.” And no modeling of “similar to Delta.” Everything is riding on that severity number. They better be right.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I need to get into town next week near the major hospital. Instead of driving myself I’m thinking I could hurt myself and call an ambulance since it’ll take me to the same place.

 

[danlb_2000]

Yes. That's why they are having issues. You can't say they are unvaccinated so the blame must be lax masking because every COVID case must be the result of somebody not "doing the right thing."

It's time to accept and come to terms with the fact that it is a highly transmissible respiratory virus, even moreso with Omicron. The is nothing that will drastically slow the spread during an outbreak short of not having humans in close contact with each other at all.

Get vaccinated and boosted so that you minimize your risk of a serious outcome from COVID and get on with your life. Either that or stay home in quarantine and make sure your entire household does the same because that's the only way that your risk of infection will be near zero (this may not even be true in an apartment, condo or townhouse that shares walls).

Or you could take the middle ground, get vaccinated and boosted, wear a mask, try to stay out of crowded environments, stay away from others if you are sick, etc, so we don't end up with a huge number of people getting sick in a short amount of time which can cause lots of problems for everyone.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Or you could take the middle ground, get vaccinated and boosted, wear a mask, try to stay out of crowded environments, stay away from others if you are sick, etc, so we don't end up with a huge number of people getting sick in a short amount of time which can cause lots of problems for everyone.

This. For the millionth time. This.

 

[LittleBuford]

In my corner of the US, there’s very little evidence of the COVID nonchalance that is such a regular feature of this thread. My home city of London, however, is a different matter entirely. Since my return a few weeks ago, I’ve made only a handful of necessary trips to public places (supermarkets, the post office), and I’ve been disappointed every time. Many people simply don’t care. Masks are on chins or not being worn at all, in defiance of the law. It’s as if Omicron isn’t happening.

Meanwhile, in the real world:

Covid-19: More than 10,000 new Omicron cases found in UK

A major incident has been declared in London as another 90,418 daily UK cases are reported.

www.bbc.co.uk