Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Disney Boater]

Convenient how you ignore the vaccines with higher rates and paint a picture that half of all people are just reasonably opposed to vaccination in general.

That wasn’t my intention. I’m not anti vaxx, just realistic. People like to attack around here, it’s fun.

 

[Angel Ariel]

I agree, and I hope they do. I just don’t see us getting anywhere near full vaccine compliance. And as far as the 5-11’s, the uptake will start out fast but will soon slow down to a crawl, most parents I know aren’t jumping at the opportunity quite yet.

and I could say the exact opposite The vast majority of parents I know have been very eager to get their kids vaccinated, and are posting their relieved "I got my shot" selfies all over the place...I don't think there's any way to know right now how the rollout will go for this age group, or the one below it.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Yes, tetanus and flu shots make my arm sore for a day. And yet I do it when I need to. I'm saying this was a lot more than a sore arm for a day. The arm pain from this was substantially worse than from any other shots I've had. And it's something I'm particularly frustrated with because of the chronic shoulder/arm pain I've had for the last 2 years. Yet I did it anyway.

I'm just saying that while I did it in spite of the strong side effects, most people won't do it on a regularly recurring basis.

My booster experience was the opposite. My first 2 Moderna shots and my flu shot all left my arm sore for a few days. For my Moderna booster, I went to the pharmacy where my mother-in-law works because she said the pharmacist there was great at giving shots that don't hurt. Sure enough, not only did I not feel the needle but my arm pain was very minor. I still had some of the usual minor aches, a headache, and my temperature got up to 99.5 but my arm barely hurt at all the next day and I was back to normal on Day 2.

 

[Disney Boater]

and I could say the exact opposite The vast majority of parents I know have been very eager to get their kids vaccinated, and are posting their relieved "I got my shot" selfies all over the place...I don't think there's any way to know right now how the rollout will go for this age group, or the one below it.

Yes, the people currently getting their kids vaccinated are excited to do so. Time will tell the whole story though.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I agree, and I hope they do. I just don’t see us getting anywhere near full vaccine compliance. And as far as the 5-11’s, the uptake will start out fast but will soon slow down to a crawl, most parents I know aren’t jumping at the opportunity quite yet.

There is a solution to that: Mandates.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The strawmen that certain posters keep quoting. Yesterday, "they" were saying every 8 months.

It’s the same stuff everyday…like the hot tub time machine arrives each morning

we have really low rent flu comparisons and…”kids aren’t vulnerable” daily.

not even funny or cleverly implied

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

There is a solution to that: Mandates.

…you date whoever you want, bird…

…it’s none of the government’s business

 

[Disney Boater]

There is a solution to that: Mandates.

Can’t mandate vaccines for the kids until they are fully approved, at least that’s my understanding.

 

[Andrew C]

OSHA suspends implementation and enforcement of large employer 'vaccine mandate'

Following a November 12 decision by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration says they have suspended all activities related to the impleme…

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[mmascari]

We have likely hit the ceiling, time to move on.

What does that mean, practically speaking?

The covid vaccine has been out for a year, the number of people fully vaccinated just happens to be the same number of people who were vaccinated for flu last year at 194 million ( which was the most ever). I don’t think that is a coincidence. The pro vaccine people are vaccinated, this is why the covid vaccine uptake curve remains so flat.

That doesn't answer the question at all. Practically speaking what does "move on" mean?

Are we changing our behaviors from what we do today to something else?
Are we keeping all the current behaviors forever more because we're at the end already?

What does "move on" actually mean?

There's at least one poster here, who if "we're done, move on" means we're keeping all the existing behaviors "as-is" going forward will be unhappy if masks stay on public transit.

There's an entire army of people here who if keeping the current indoor masks at WDW forever because that's the new normal will have a fit. Some of them will never go again. And others who would ditch them all last week even if that meant an uptick in transmission at WDW.

So, what does "move on" actually mean for our actions and behaviors?

 

[Andrew C]

Yes, the people currently getting their kids vaccinated are excited to do so. Time will tell the whole story though.

I wasn't excited about it. I did it because it makes sense, I don't want her to get it and potentially spread to others (like family members who we definitely see; no mitigation going on in our lives), and because our pediatrician recommended it for her health. Also, we are travelling to Canada next month so it makes things slightly easier..

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That doesn't answer the question at all. Practically speaking what does "move on" mean?

Are we changing our behaviors from what we do today to something else?
Are we keeping all the current behaviors forever more because we're at the end already?

What does "move on" actually mean?

There's at least one poster here, who if "we're done, move on" means we're keeping all the existing behaviors "as-is" going forward will be unhappy if masks stay on public transit.

There's an entire army of people here who if keeping the current indoor masks at WDW forever because that's the new normal will have a fit. Some of them will never go again. And others who would ditch them all last week even if that meant an uptick in transmission at WDW.

So, what does "move on" actually mean for our actions and behaviors?

We won’t have the same mandates forever…I just think that we’re trying to put “mission accomplished” up on the aircraft carrier early…again.

and basing arguments on 32 is probably not the best way to go.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

So, what does "move on" actually mean for our actions and behaviors?

Chuck the masks, take down the plexiglass, reopen everything, and return the world to the way it was in 2019, with the exception of a vaccination mandate for inbound international travelers, including American citizens returning from abroad. Once the pediatric vaccine has been fully approved, make it mandatory for enrollment in public schools. Accept that endemic viruses are an inescapable fact of human life.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I wasn't excited about it. I did it because it makes sense, I don't want her to get it and potentially spread to others (like family mothers who we definitely see; no mitigation going on in our lives), and because our pediatrician recommended it for her health. Also, we are travelling to Canada next month so it makes things slightly easier..

I wasn’t excited at all…I just didn’t hesitate and did it…the whole family…the office staff…everyone.

civic duty. Period.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Chuck the masks, take down the plexiglass, reopen everything, and return the world to the way it was in 2019, with the exception of a vaccination mandate for inbound international travelers, including American citizens returning from abroad. Once the pediatric vaccine has been fully approved, make it mandatory for enrollment in public schools. Accept that endemic viruses are an inescapable fact of human life.

And if hospitals fill up again? If important facilities shut down due to outbreaks?

 

[Andrew C]

Chuck the masks, take down the plexiglass, reopen everything, and return the world to the way it was in 2019, with the exception of a vaccination mandate for inbound international travelers, including American citizens returning from abroad.

Yep

Once the pediatric vaccine has been fully approved, make it mandatory for enrollment in public schools.

And yep.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

And if hospitals fill up again? If important facilities shut down due to outbreaks?

Treat the virus as a regional and seasonal and respond appropriately. If Honolulu hospitals start to feel a strain, no need to lock down Miami.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Treat the virus as a regional and seasonal and respond appropriately. If Honolulu hospitals start to feel a strain, no need to lock down Miami.

But you’ve said to chuck all of the responses well before now… so how to respond if masks and restrictions are out?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

But you’ve said to chuck all of the responses well before now… so how to respond if masks and restrictions are out?

I'm saying chuck all responses that are being applied as one-size-fits-all blanket measures. I'm fine with localized restrictions in response to acute problems.

If 30% of kids test positive in some school, shut down the school for a week, I'm fine with that.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Can’t mandate vaccines for the kids until they are fully approved, at least that’s my understanding.

Ya, know. Back at the beginning of the 1900's, Massachusetts mandated a small pox vaccine. It was challenged and went all the way to the Supreme Court which said a state had the right to ensure the safety of its citizens. And that's why all the challenges to local mandates have failed in courts, due to that precedent.

There was no FDA back then to say whether the vaccine was approved. The EU protocols requires informing those receiving it of possible side effects which are not totally known yet. It doesn't preclude mandating it. "Emergency Use" doesn't mean 'untested' or 'experimental'... it means the full process of authorization hasn't been completed, but, given the circumstances, it can be used.

U.S. DOJ States that Emergency Use Authorization Does Not Preclude Vaccine Mandates

The U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) has released an opinion (originally prepared on July 6, 2021 for the Deputy Counsel to the President) definitively

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