Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[lazyboy97o]

The flu vaccine, which is not particularly controversial except among the real anti-vax kook fringe, has only about a 50% participation rate, if that, in an average year. It requires only one shot per year. A vaccine that requires a shot every 6 months is just not going to have wide-scale adoption. I'm sorry, but it just won't. Not because people are against the vaccines, but just because people are busy and lazy. You can make all the arguments for it that you want, and many of them are good arguments. I'm just telling you the reality is that it won't happen.

The flu shot is annual because influenza successfully mutates that frequently. SARS-CoV-2 does not seem to be at that level.

I don't believe we will ever stop Covid from transmitting. Eradicating it is not going to be a thing. I base that on history. We have only actually eradicated one human virus -- smallpox -- in the entirety of human history. I don't think that means that we have to accept the same level of death and severe disease that we've seen over the past 18+ months. But elimination is also not something realistic.

Two of the three types of wild polio have been eradicated. Type 3 has been eliminated from all but two countries. It will likely remain endemic due to politics, not because it is some basic impossibility. There is a whole list of diseases that have been eliminated from the developed world and instead of trying huge chunks now just say it is impossible.

Since covid is contactable and transmissable by both vaccinated and unvaccinated, not only should the unvaccinated avoid close personal contact, but also the vaccinated. Both classes should make it their personal responsibility not to become an incubator for Covid.

Every disease for which there is a vaccine can be contracted by and transmitted by vaccinated persons. The Disneyland measles outbreak included vaccinated persons. This notion that the COVID vaccines are somehow different from other vaccines is just anti-vaccine bunk.

 

[mmascari]

The tetanus vaccine is the most similar I can think of to these vaccines but it needs a booster only every 10 years. As somebody (I think maybe you) said, this isn't like the flu shot because the flu shot is a different vaccine every year.

The initial tetanus does are much closer though. It's eventually every 10 years, but there's more than 1 before the first 10 year gap.

Maybe COVID ends up like that. Maybe it doesn't. Maybe we do end up needing boosters yearly or more often. But, nobody knows that today. We're at most what, 18 or 24 months since the initial doses in the initial study participants? And, more like 12 months for the first general use.

If we were looking at every 6 months forever being the end state, those initial study participants would already be on dose 4. Have we seen any studies about that?

When we start to see studies following the initial participants getting dose 5 or more, I'll start to worry about it being more frequent. They'll all need to get dose 4 before that, so we'll see it coming for months and not be a surprise.


We're obviously seeing lots of studies about getting dose 3.

Or, dose 2 if you're team J&J. Rest of you, bunch of pin cushions.

 

[mmascari]

and instead of trying huge chunks now just say it is impossible.

That's what I tell my kids about trying to ride Mine Train, Rise, Flight, and Test Track. It's just impossible, no sense trying.

 

[Angel Ariel]

And another booster, and another booster and another booster..........................????

Yup. To prevent the hell of the last 20 months, absolutely. I fully anticipate Covid becoming endemic means at least yearly shots, just like the flu.

 

[DisneyCane]

Yup. To prevent the hell of the last 20 months, absolutely. I fully anticipate Covid becoming endemic means at least yearly shots, just like the flu.

Not close to everybody gets the flu shot. Only those who feel their risk is high and medical professionals in contact with patients.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Not close to everybody gets the flu shot. Only those who feel their risk is high and medical professionals in contact with patients.

I don’t believe I claimed everyone does. I am well aware they don’t.

 

[Disney Boater]

Not close to everybody gets the flu shot. Only those who feel their risk is high and medical professionals in contact with patients.

Just to add some context: the CDC reports 194 million doses of flu vaccine were distributed for the 2020 flu season. That puts it in line with the number of people who have received the covid vaccine. We have likely hit the ceiling, time to move on.

 

[hopemax]

Not close to everybody gets the flu shot. Only those who feel their risk is high and medical professionals in contact with patients.

That's likely correlated to the efficacy of the shot. If we had a 95% efficacy flu shots, I believe we would have much higher uptake, because a flu shot is cheaper than offering paid sick leave and paying insurance claims. Schools and employers would be closer to a mandate structure to avoid disruption and declines in productivity. In the past, we felt flu was inevitable. If we can create the circumstances and have the tools where we recognize it's not and there is a bottom line benefit...it would be *highly* encouraged and incentivized. 50% uptake is not inevitable either. But higher efficacy will have to come first.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

At worst, those other boosters have made my arm really sore for a day. This was a whole new level. No chance will people do this twice a year indefinitely. Won't happen.

A WHOLE day?!?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Not close to everybody gets the flu shot. Only those who feel their risk is high and medical professionals in contact with patients.

Because it took the flu about 40 years to rock it’s last million deaths

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

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Since covid is contactable and transmissable by both vaccinated and unvaccinated, not only should the unvaccinated avoid close personal contact, but also the vaccinated. Both classes should make it their personal responsibility not to become an incubator for Covid.

Of course…I’m just pointing out the stupidity of yet another hoaxer comment that just won’t go away

 

[drizgirl]

A WHOLE day?!?

Yes, tetanus and flu shots make my arm sore for a day. And yet I do it when I need to. I'm saying this was a lot more than a sore arm for a day. The arm pain from this was substantially worse than from any other shots I've had. And it's something I'm particularly frustrated with because of the chronic shoulder/arm pain I've had for the last 2 years. Yet I did it anyway.

I'm just saying that while I did it in spite of the strong side effects, most people won't do it on a regularly recurring basis.

 

[mmascari]

That puts it in line with the number of people who have received the covid vaccine. We have likely hit the ceiling, time to move on.

What does that mean, practically speaking?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Supposedly all the cruise lines are “under our investigation” in FL right now. I don’t think even that guy is THAT stupid to try and actually fine them, though.

A pompous, amateur Buffoon who acts like it’s open mic night?

…nah

 

[Heppenheimer]

Who is pushing for twice yearly boosters indefinitely??? It's not a thing I've seen anywhere.

The strawmen that certain posters keep quoting. Yesterday, "they" were saying every 8 months.

 

[Disney Boater]

What does that mean, practically speaking?

The covid vaccine has been out for a year, the number of people fully vaccinated just happens to be the same number of people who were vaccinated for flu last year at 194 million ( which was the most ever). I don’t think that is a coincidence. The pro vaccine people are vaccinated, this is why the covid vaccine uptake curve remains so flat.

 

[Heppenheimer]

People who got a booster are still within the time period where the initial dosing was extremely highly effective. We won't see a change for booster recipients until it has been at least 6 months post booster.

From my limited research, it seems that vaccines like MMR need the booster dose to get it up to peak effectiveness. Not that the protection starts that high and quickly wanes.

The tetanus vaccine is the most similar I can think of to these vaccines but it needs a booster only every 10 years. As somebody (I think maybe you) said, this isn't like the flu shot because the flu shot is a different vaccine every year.

MMR is a two dose series because a certain percentage won't develop immunity to the measles portion after one shot. The second does the trick for nearly everyone who didn't respond to the first dose. It provides next to zero advantage for those who already responded to the first dose, so it isn't really a booster for measles (although it might provide a boost for rubella). Measles is one of the few vaccines that seemingly provides true lifetime immunity.

 

[Angel Ariel]

The covid vaccine has been out for a year, the number of people fully vaccinated just happens to be the same number of people who were vaccinated for flu last year at 194 million ( which was the most ever). I don’t think that is a coincidence. The pro vaccine people are vaccinated, this is why the covid vaccine uptake curve remains so flat.

I think you'll still see those numbers rise as you still don't have all ages eligible to get the vaccine (and you certainly aren't at a year of eligibility for all ages either - we aren't even at 1 month of eligibility for 5-11 y/o).

 

[lazyboy97o]

The covid vaccine has been out for a year, the number of people fully vaccinated just happens to be the same number of people who were vaccinated for flu last year at 194 million ( which was the most ever). I don’t think that is a coincidence. The pro vaccine people are vaccinated, this is why the covid vaccine uptake curve remains so flat.

Convenient how you ignore the vaccines with higher rates and paint a picture that half of all people are just reasonably opposed to vaccination in general.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

Effectiveness wanes over time. You don't know any more than I do what's going to be needed.

I took your post to mean that you think that will be needed or that it's been suggested by experts that it might. If that's not what you meant then I apologize.