News Zootopia and Moana Blue Sky concepts for Disney's Animal Kingdom

DisneyHead123

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Either one of these would be a far better choice for Animal Kingdom than Zootopia or Moana.
I am really not a fan of Zootopia in particular. The vibe of that movie is just way different than the vibe of AK overall. It's too cutesy and "Sassy One Liner!"-y for a park that deals in sweeping emotions, the arts, diverse cultures, and thematic drama. I feel like AK has a kind of Sturm und Drang thing going on, and Zootopia has like a Seinfeld vibe. Both great experiences, but should be in separate parks. or places. Zootopia would be much better suited to something like a Disney Springs tie in, IMO, or maybe theming at a children's area at a resort.
 

ToTBellHop

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It really depends on what this Moana land actually entails. I think there's a good chance that it's just an island themed area with two Moana attractions, they just called it a Moana land because that's easily marketable. I don't think it'll be themed entirely after her cartoony version of the islands.

I imagine there'll be animal exhibits & food offerings based off of island culture instead of a purely Moana themed restaurant.
I imagine so, as well.
 

Brer Panther

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I think there's a good chance that it's just an island themed area with two Moana attractions, they just called it a Moana land because that's easily marketable. I don't think it'll be themed entirely after her cartoony version of the islands.

I imagine there'll be animal exhibits & food offerings based off of island culture instead of a purely Moana themed restaurant.
Call me pessimistic, but I doubt that's what Disney's gonna do.
 

DisneyHead123

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I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that while DAK is about, you know, animals, what it actually gets right—what makes it great–is that it captures the variety of cultural/human relationships with the natural/animal world.

Still doesn’t mean Zootopia is a good fit.
Better or worse than Avatar? I’d say Avatar is a better fit for emotional vibe but it’s animal tie in is questionable. Zootopia is more explicitly about animals but I don’t think the vibe works.
 

_caleb

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Better or worse than Avatar? I’d say Avatar is a better fit for emotional vibe but it’s animal tie in is questionable. Zootopia is more explicitly about animals but I don’t think the vibe works.
Avatar works because they were able to focus on “here’s how a culture relates to/is shaped by their environment/“animals.”

By the way, this is why Dinoland USA, for all its flaws and shortcomings, worked—it focused on one way that American culture has related to its environment and animals (dinosaurs).
 

ToTBellHop

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Avatar works because they were able to focus on “here’s how a culture relates to/is shaped by their environment/“animals.”

By the way, this is why Dinoland USA, for all its flaws and shortcomings, worked—it focused on one way that American culture has related to its environment and animals (dinosaurs).
Ah, yes. American culture is heavily influenced by dinosaurs. Just yesterday, I saw some moron run into a McDonalds because he was “fleeing a t-rex.” No t-Rex=no McDonalds.
 

DisneyHead123

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Avatar works because they were able to focus on “here’s how a culture relates to/is shaped by their environment/“animals.”

By the way, this is why Dinoland USA, for all its flaws and shortcomings, worked—it focused on one way that American culture has related to its environment and animals (dinosaurs).
I can see that. I guess it depends on how you process mentally categorize things and what equals a land “flowing together”. For me it’s emotional vibe, for you it sounds a bit more intellectual, for some it’s clearly visuals (I always think it’s interesting to see how much sight lines bother some people, as I tend to be oblivious to visual details like that,) for some it’s the backstory of the land / park, and so on.

I don’t usually have strong feelings on new IP being brought into lands, but for whatever reason I really don’t like Zootopia in AK. It just feels almost jarringly out of place to me - but again, just my personal opinion.
 

RSoxNo1

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Well, actually, I have seen people on here complain that Splash Mountain didn't fit in Frontierland (even before everyone online turned on the attraction).

Either one of these would be a far better choice for Animal Kingdom than Zootopia or Moana.
It happened, but it was a barely vocal minority. Even those that acknowledged the thematic issues still love the attraction.
 

FigmentFan82

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Honestly, I'm struggling to reckon with the optics of a Zootopia attraction acting as a retheme of Dinosaur, even putting aside all of the concerns with it fitting cohesively into DAK. The EMV ride system is best used to convey a sense of danger and urgency, and really the only way I can think that they'd be able to get a sense of urgency out of a Zootopia storyline is with the focus being on the Zootopia Police Department, which, at least given how divisive police forces have been as of late in the US, I'd be surprised if Disney went for it. Even putting that aside, using a thrill ride system for an IP that is most popular with younger kids feels even more short sighted. It just comes off as a really odd fit.
Yeah, the very first thing that comes to mind for Zootopia being overlayed onto Dino is joining Judy and Nick on a car chase. I guess finessing the story would be crucial, but I don't know where else you go with what already exists in Dino
 
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_caleb

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You did and it’s a stretch.
Tourist oriented roadside attractions (like Chester and Hester’s Dino-Rama) are a pretty uniquely American thing, and for a time, were extremely common on American highways. From the 1940s through the 1960s, before the completion of the Interstate Highway (we’ve all seen the Cars films), basically anyone who owned a business or land near a highway was looking for creative ways to get travelers to stop and spend money.

Common ways to do this was novelty architecture (The Brown Derby, Dinosaur Gertie’s) to to market the “World’s Largest” whatever. But an extremely common theme in American roadside attraction marketing (perhaps second only to so-called “Indian trading posts”) was dinosaur-related attractions. Some of this built on the oil industry’s dinosaur-related marketing (Sinclair; “Dinoco”), and some is about the American tendency to see opportunity in exploitation.

So when Imagineers are building a theme park based on cultural relationships between humans and animals/the environment and set their sights on how to represent the United States in such a park, it makes a whole lot of sense to me that they might consider the kitschy nostalgia of one of the major ways Americans have related to their environment: exploitation.

In other parts of the world, when fossilized remains are found, the site is typically treated as public cultural and heritage site; they turn it into a park or move artifacts to a museum. In the U.S., if fossils are found on private property, we often put a fence around the site and sell admission and souvenirs.
 

Incomudro

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Tourist oriented roadside attractions (like Chester and Hester’s Dino-Rama) are a pretty uniquely American thing, and for a time, were extremely common on American highways. From the 1940s through the 1960s, before the completion of the Interstate Highway (we’ve all seen the Cars films), basically anyone who owned a business or land near a highway was looking for creative ways to get travelers to stop and spend money.

Common ways to do this was novelty architecture (The Brown Derby, Dinosaur Gertie’s) to to market the “World’s Largest” whatever. But an extremely common theme in American roadside attraction marketing (perhaps second only to so-called “Indian trading posts”) was dinosaur-related attractions. Some of this built on the oil industry’s dinosaur-related marketing (Sinclair; “Dinoco”), and some is about the American tendency to see opportunity in exploitation.

So when Imagineers are building a theme park based on cultural relationships between humans and animals/the environment and set their sights on how to represent the United States in such a park, it makes a whole lot of sense to me that they might consider the kitschy nostalgia of one of the major ways Americans have related to their environment: exploitation.

In other parts of the world, when fossilized remains are found, the site is typically treated as public cultural and heritage site; they turn it into a park or move artifacts to a museum. In the U.S., if fossils are found on private property, we often put a fence around the site and sell admission and souvenirs.
Yeah, I'm actually a pretty big fan of the theme of Dino - Rama.
I got the idea immediately.
I was a dinosaur fan since I was a kid, who - born in '63 - was a fan way before liking dinosaurs was cool.
I love the roadside look.
 
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Incomudro

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I can see that. I guess it depends on how you process mentally categorize things and what equals a land “flowing together”. For me it’s emotional vibe, for you it sounds a bit more intellectual, for some it’s clearly visuals (I always think it’s interesting to see how much sight lines bother some people, as I tend to be oblivious to visual details like that,) for some it’s the backstory of the land / park, and so on.

I don’t usually have strong feelings on new IP being brought into lands, but for whatever reason I really don’t like Zootopia in AK. It just feels almost jarringly out of place to me - but again, just my personal opinion.
It IS (or will be if it's done) jarringly out of place.
 

UNCgolf

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Yeah, I'm actually a pretty big fan of the theme of Dino - Rama.
I got the idea immediately.
I was a dinosaur fan since i was a kid, who born in '63 - was a fan way before liking dinosaurs was cool.
I love the roadside look.

I've always thought the execution of Dino-Rama is basically perfect.

I just don't think the choice of theme itself was a good idea.
 

Incomudro

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I've always thought the execution of Dino-Rama is basically perfect.

I just don't think the choice of theme itself was a good idea.
Like a lot of things, I never utilized much of it.
We never went into the carnival area, as I personally don't care for that type of stuff.
But I "got it."
Our boys did play in the Boneyard for two trips in a row, and I loved that.
Loved watching them and the other kids have fun, and loved being on the dig site.
I also greatly enjoyed the roadside eatery (sorry I don't know its name) and enjoyed that there is a stretch of highway built in.
 

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