News Zootopia and Moana Blue Sky concepts for Disney's Animal Kingdom

[Phicinfan]

Yes what they did to GMR and Splash was and is an utter disgrace i know i just started yet another heated debate regarding Splash cue the forum police …. Sadly i agree with you on what Disney has done but i think Dinosaur altho rough was always a fun and different ride and something that was different to the parks down in Florida… and everyone loves dinosaurs so to me if they really wanted to do this right they could but yes you are correct they probably dont and most likely forget how to as well…

they could always upgrade the ride and refit it, and have the dinosaurs trying to catch and eat the characters from zootopia..........

 

[FigmentFan82]

Do you think the lead creative for the development of the park was unfamiliar with Eisner’s dedication speech?

do you think everyone knows everything? that horse looks lovely so high up

 

[crazy4disney]

they could always upgrade the ride and refit it, and have the dinosaurs trying to catch and eat the characters from zootopia..........

Now thats an idea i can get behind! Lol

 

[lazyboy97o]

do you think everyone knows everything? that horse looks lovely so high up

Who am I saying should know everything? The relevant information has been provided multiple times.

 

[SNS]

I doubt Joe Rohde had free rein with what to do with that part of the park. He likely had to decide how to justify the off the shelve rides and that was the best he could do for a theme with the budget given to him. I'm sure he would have come up with something a lot better if really could do whatever he wanted for Dinoland.

 

[Basil of Baker Street]

I don't see much difference in Zootopia and It's a Bugs Life. If Bugs life fits....

Edit: Also UP has/had a presence in AK which I don't know it ties into AK at all.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I doubt Joe Rohde had free rein with what to do with that part of the park. He likely had to decide how to justify the off the shelve rides and that was the best he could do for a theme with the budget given to him. I'm sure he would have come up with something a lot better if really could do whatever he wanted for Dinoland.

The main land is rather lame and he had pretty free rein on that. Dino Rama was budget-restricted.

 

[lazyboy97o]

The main land is rather lame and he had pretty free rein on that. Dino Rama was budget-restricted.

Dino Rama had a place to go because of the restrictions that were placed on Dinoland during the initial development.

 

[crazy4disney]

The main land is rather lame and he had pretty free rein on that. Dino Rama was budget-restricted.

Not directed towards you but its tough to worship joe when he 'succeeds' with an unlimited budget which honestly to me he has gone overboard & then give him a pass bc he had budget constraints

 

[lazyboy97o]

Not directed towards you but its tough to worship joe when he 'succeeds' with an unlimited budget which honestly to me he has gone overboard & then give him a pass bc he had budget constraints

Which project had an unlimited budget?

 

[SNS]

I'm guessing that was a reference to most of Pandora. In which Rohde showed his talent by taking a concept no one thought would work in Animal Kingdom (Avatar) and actually making it work.

 

[crazy4disney]

Which project had an unlimited budget?

I used unlimited loosely but i think you get my point when you hear some of the #s thrown around for recent projects…. Sorry you took it literally ‍♂ But when you hear numbers on what was spent for example Pandora to me its staggering esp when you look at the land having only 2 rides 1 being Navi which imo is well
Lets just say vastly overrated

 

[Rich Brownn]

I don't see much difference in Zootopia and It's a Bugs Life. If Bugs life fits....

Edit: Also UP has/had a presence in AK which I don't know it ties into AK at all.

if you don't understand the difference between bugs being bugs and educating humans on types of bugs and behavior and a bunch of basically humans dressed as animals living in a city and doing human things ... well... you're sort of missing a very obvious difference.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I used unlimited loosely but i think you get my point when you hear some of the #s thrown around for recent projects…. Sorry you took it literally ‍♂ But when you hear numbers on what was spent for example Pandora to me its staggering esp when you look at the land having only 2 rides 1 being Navi which imo is well
Lets just say vastly overrated

Except Pandora’s project cost was not out of the norm. The norm is a problem but it was not because of Rohde and continues without him. One of the fastest, cheapest projects of recent years was Guardians of the Galaxy - Mission: Breakout!. Disney’s Animal Kingdom itself is of the same era as Disney’s California Adventure and Walt Disney Studios Park, but people don’t think of it like that because it turned out a lot better than those two.

 

[SpectreJordan]

Surely you recognize that those habitats in the film have far more in common with human cities than actual habitats these animals would call home.

If they really wanted to actually connect Zootopia to AK's themes, they could have exhibits/shows about the Zootopia citizens talking about the habitats of their ancestors & how it's shaped the city. It could be some edutainment to help little ones learn about natural habitats.

Will they do that? Probably not. Should they do that if they're deadset on Zootopia? Absolutely.

 

[ToTBellHop]

if you don't understand the difference between bugs being bugs and educating humans on types of bugs and behavior and a bunch of basically humans dressed as animals living in a city and doing human things ... well... you're sort of missing a very obvious difference.

Bugs singing Broadway tunes are not bugs acting and behaving as humans? The educational value is pretty limited. “Please don’t burn us with a magnifying glass” and “we eat poop.”

It would not be difficult to ensure a Zootopia ride similarly throws some education in. A Bug’s Life is about bugs acting as humans and dealing with human issues yet they used those characters to teach us a bit in ITTBAB. Why couldn’t they do the same with Zootopia? We should at least wait until we hear an actual concept.

 

[UNCgolf]

Why couldn’t they do the same with Zootopia? We should at least wait until we hear an actual concept.

They certainly could, but I don't see much reason to think they actually would. They didn't do it with Frozen or Guardians at EPCOT, and they already have a Zootopia ride in development elsewhere -- hard to believe they'd develop something entirely new instead of reusing concepts from that attraction, given their recent track record.

The only potential saving grace there is that they wouldn't be able to just clone the Shanghai attraction.

 

[RSoxNo1]

In a park which has had talking/singing bugs, talking/singing lions, and talking/singing fish for many years, and which is now replacing a land built by Saint Joe that featured talking dinosaur mascots, perhaps we are taking things too seriously.

Next, you’ll tell me that the Pandora boat ride, which focuses on talking/singing blue people while animals appear as secondary characters, also aligns with this great theme some of you are experts on.

Honestly, the only ride I can think of that truly embodies that supposed theme is Kilimanjaro Safaris, and they have watered down its story tremendously, anyway.

How do all of the cultural performers that we adore have anything to do with animals? They’d arguably make more sense in World Showcase but we love them.

Perhaps we can just accept that DAK has never really been as focused on this theme as we claim. For me, it is the incredible scenery in the park that has always blown me away. Dinoland was always the low point there. Let’s hope the new additions look better.

You forget that the park is about nature just as much as it's about animals.

 

[RSoxNo1]

I just don’t want Zootopia because I worry it is a bad fit for the existing park. But not because the animals wear pants. The park has never really maintained that standard of avoiding animals who stand in for humans. The park opened with FotLK and ITTBAB.

Festival of the Lion King arguably doesn't fit. It's an excellent show and that often reduces the criticisms. It's why people rarely complained about how Splash Mountain didn't fit in Frontierland.

It's tough to be a bug uses the characters to tell a different, somewhat educational story. Also, I hate the show but I don't think it's inappropriate for the park.

I would accept a Zootopia attraction that's a tour of the different biomes. That's about the only story narrative using Zootopia characters that makes sense to me for that park.



Remember the themes of the Animal Kingdom:

• The intrinsic and superior value of nature – this means that nature, above all else is at the forefront of the design. This leads to parts of the park being out of their true control (live animals, overgrown pathways, etc.).
• Transformation through adventure – this idea is that adventure changes people when they experience something they’ve never experienced before.
• Personal call to action – a sense of responsibility for the animals and the conservation message.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Rohde was immensely talented but not infallible. He gave us Dino-Rama and, to this day, insists it was an important addition to the park.

Dinoland has been a low point for the park (to me) since day 1 and we’ve been complaining for many years that Dinosaur is too dark, has broken effects, and is inferior to the Indiana Jones Adventure in every meaningful way. Now we suddenly come to this land’s defense.

I was skeptical toward Pandora but they pulled it off even if it is kind of a loose fit. We will see about Zootopia if it even occurs. But it’s not as though it is replacing a cherished classic like Tiana. It’s replacing a ride we were complaining about 30 seconds before we learned of its demise.

Joe is also handed crap tasks that he turns into gold. I will not defend Dinorama, except I highly doubt Joe would defend it behind closed doors. The story I had heard was that it was designed in a way to be removed quickly.