Yeti is indeed being fixed! Update 8/4/2014

lazyboy97o

Well-Known Member
Could they just "spin off" the parks into it's own company? No need for a buyer then.
The licensing from disney would kill it without having to hike ticket prices. It would help to know what the profits the parks make annually are but I doubt disney would be generous with the terms. Does anyone remember seeing the wwhp contract? That could give a little insight into what the annual payments could be like.
Spinning off the parks into a company modeled after Euro Disney SCA, without the "unlimited liability for all debts and liabilities," has probably been considered. Disney would remain in control of management, but be able to sell off shares and remove the huge expenses from their own books.

When asked to "treat as confidential," the SEC will censor specifics in contracts and that includes specific dollar amounts in licensing deals.
 

AEfx

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I don't disagree with you one bit, but I think you missed the point of what I originally said. He was the Creative force behind animal kingdom. I personally do not fault Rhode (or any other imagineer for that matter) for the budget cuts that management decides to hand them.

It's not the budget cuts themselves that I blame on him, it's how it was dealt with and with what was left he spent it on superfluous things and not the actual rides and attractions.

Everest is the perfect example. They spent so much time, effort, and money on the queue they forgot about the ride. Even when it works - it's not really that impressive.

I don't hate the guy, simply get annoyed when people talk about him like he's God's gift to Disneyfans, when the guy hasn't really done the best work as far as I can see. People like him because he's eccentric and such, but he certainly hasn't contributed positively to my WDW experience very much.

You just sort of proved WDW1974's point. You start off saying you want more attraction, then get into specifics about the types of rides they need to add. A ride is a type of attraction, not all attractions are rides.

True. However, if you poll 100 random people in the United States, and ask them what the #1 reason to go to Disney is, the vast majority of them would mention rides. What Disney is known for.

AK is sorely lacking in that area. Some people play it off like "oh, you must be ignorant, you just don't get it", but they are usually board flamers or trolls. I *GET* AK, it's just that I have far better animal experiences much closer to home, so why would I travel across the country to get a sub-par animal experience, and a sub-par theme park experience at the same time?

It just makes no sense. Someone put it best earlier - if I bought a 1-day ticket to that park I'd feel majorly ripped off. It doesn't have enough animal interaction to make it a real animal experience, and not enough theme park to be a real theme park experience. You end up with a half-baked hybird of both.

It's great some people love it. Wonderful in fact, I'm glad it's not all gone to total waste. But the majority of the public comes to Disney for fun, and excitement, and rides, and experiences they cannot get at home. AK doesn't really provide that.

The Safari is pretty laughable after the first few hours of the day when the animals hide out, "If you look past that giant rock over there, you'll see the ear of a tiger peeking up!" And the little "hands on" exhibits are done much better (and in full A/C) in many other places on both coasts (Bronx Zoo, San Diego Zoo, etc).

The flagship ride (Everest) is broken, and has been for the better part of half a decade; Dinosaur, the only real dark ride there is amazing but the lack of upkeep is pretty disappointing, and the two carnie rides next to it I try to not even walk past, let alone ride. Kali is OK, but no where near, say, Grizzly River Run over at DCA.

If I was looking to play with or see animals, I'd go to a zoo. Like the vast majority of the American public, I go to WDW for rides and attractions I can't get elsewhere. On that criteria, AK fails miserably, and it's quite clear why it's the least visited of the parks.
 

Mansion Butler

Active Member
It's not the budget cuts themselves that I blame on him, it's how it was dealt with and with what was left he spent it on superfluous things and not the actual rides and attractions.

Everest is the perfect example. They spent so much time, effort, and money on the queue they forgot about the ride. Even when it works - it's not really that impressive.

I don't hate the guy, simply get annoyed when people talk about him like he's God's gift to Disneyfans, when the guy hasn't really done the best work as far as I can see. People like him because he's eccentric and such, but he certainly hasn't contributed positively to my WDW experience very much.
"My" is the key word here. Maybe instead of being annoyed you should just understand that different people like different things? A large part of what makes Everest great for me -- maybe the largest part -- is the pre-show.

You don't have to like that, but if you want something else and which Rhode did otherwise, I certainly don't think I should get annoyed by you having different interests. I love Rhode for approaching the parks exactly the way I want them approached, and I love Animal Kingdom for its layered theming, more than any park other than MK (and it's close, there), in spite of few attractions. You don't have to, but wouldn't it be silly for me to get annoyed because you don't?
 

AEfx

Well-Known Member
"My" is the key word here. Maybe instead of being annoyed you should just understand that different people like different things? A large part of what makes Everest great for me -- maybe the largest part -- is the pre-show.

You don't have to like that, but if you want something else and which Rhode did otherwise, I certainly don't think I should get annoyed by you having different interests. I love Rhode for approaching the parks exactly the way I want them approached, and I love Animal Kingdom for its layered theming, more than any park other than MK (and it's close, there), in spite of few attractions. You don't have to, but wouldn't it be silly for me to get annoyed because you don't?

My annoyance is with the fact people act like he's God. They worship him like he's the cult leader. However, that's simply my personal feeling, as you pointed out - just like anyone else here is expressing their opinion. That's what a message board is all about. And I guess you missed the part of my post where I acknowledged that some people do enjoy it. (And, it does seem, that yes, my opinion does annoy you as well, LOL.)

But let's talk about Everest. What Pre-Show are you talking about? Everest does not have a Pre-Show. Are you talking about the stacks of junk in the queue? The queue that is supposed to build you up with "warnings" about the big bad Yeti...that doesn't exist? Not to annoy you (LOL), but if that's your favorite part of the attraction, that just proves my point that the attraction overall is lackluster. The last thing any ride designer wants is for people to enjoy standing in line for it more than the actual ride.

He spent millions traveling around the world to get that junk, and if someone had given me 50K, a truck with a full tank, and a weekend to drive around New England I'd have come up with the same amount of junk and 99.999% of guests couldn't tell the difference (we have snowshoes up here, too).

Here's the thing, though - you are weird. :) I get you, because in many of the same ways I am weird as well, but you are weird. :) The vast majority of guests come to WDW to enjoy the rides and attractions. They don't stop every five feet in the Everest queue to stare at junk piled up, they don't know or care it's "authentic", and again it's terribly, terribly sad that so much money was wasted on something that could have easily been replicated with much less effort and cost. Those people are waiting to get on this new ride with an exciting Yeti encounter - that simply doesn't exist.

I'm glad pretty surroundings and queues (that most people wouldn't know had any meaning unless you looked it up in a book or were a super-fan) please you, and that Rhode does "exactly what you want". But that's rare - most people come to Disney for exciting attractions and adventures, which AK is sorely lacking in because Rhode spent so much time on the superfluous stuff. It's like spending all your time and money on the icing, and not having enough cake left over to balance it out. Sure, we all love icing - but when there is more icing than cake, it doesn't go down well. The rare person just loves a bowl of icing - and that's where it sounds like you fall.

I love great theming - it's what usually sets Disney apart. But no matter which way you look at it, Everest is a pretty big failure. I can think of no better way to demonstrate that then to look at your post saying the queue is probably your favorite part of the experience. And correct me if I am wrong, but since Everest we haven't heard of any big project that Rhode has been assigned to, have we? I wonder why...
 

flavious27

Well-Known Member
Spinning off the parks into a company modeled after Euro Disney SCA, without the "unlimited liability for all debts and liabilities," has probably been considered. Disney would remain in control of management, but be able to sell off shares and remove the huge expenses from their own books.

When asked to "treat as confidential," the SEC will censor specifics in contracts and that includes specific dollar amounts in licensing deals.

And so would start another disney shareholder revolt, disney might as well just move their legal department to delaware.
 

flavious27

Well-Known Member
It's not the budget cuts themselves that I blame on him, it's how it was dealt with and with what was left he spent it on superfluous things and not the actual rides and attractions.

Everest is the perfect example. They spent so much time, effort, and money on the queue they forgot about the ride. Even when it works - it's not really that impressive.

I don't hate the guy, simply get annoyed when people talk about him like he's God's gift to Disneyfans, when the guy hasn't really done the best work as far as I can see. People like him because he's eccentric and such, but he certainly hasn't contributed positively to my WDW experience very much.

So he is disney's jon ives?
 

brifraz

Marching along...
Premium Member
My annoyance is with the fact people act like he's God. They worship him like he's the cult leader.

Not sure I would go that far. I think most people who are fans of Rohde respect the fact that his projects have the most research and depth of theming.

But let's talk about Everest. What Pre-Show are you talking about? Everest does not have a Pre-Show. Are you talking about the stacks of junk in the queue? ... But that's rare - most people come to Disney for exciting attractions and adventures, which AK is sorely lacking in because Rhode spent so much time on the superfluous stuff.

I think the 'edutainment' component of the queue/pre-show for Everest is considered high quality by more people than you are giving credit to. We have enjoyed that queue/pre-show with many different people (most of whom we just met) and heard nothing but raves about it. Those who are not aware that it is all authentic are always amazed and in awe when they find out that it is.

I love great theming - it's what usually sets Disney apart. But no matter which way you look at it, Everest is a pretty big failure.

I am as disappointed as the next guy in the Yeti being in B or C or Tarp Mode, but it certainly doesn't make the ride a failure. Other than people like us that have ridden many many times, most riders don't have any idea that the yeti is not what it once was. They still love the experience of the roller coaster and are psyched up for the yeti experience in part because of what they saw in the queue.

And correct me if I am wrong, but since Everest we haven't heard of any big project that Rhode has been assigned to, have we? I wonder why...

He was promoted to being assigned to an entire resort instead of a single attraction - Aulani.

This summer, our visit will include 2 first time visitors and 2 second time visitors. None of them are Disney fanatics like ourselves, so I look forward to hearing their responses to things like the theming and experiences much more than their reaction to rides (we've seen them react to rides at Six Flags).

EDIT - just wanted to add my DDs (7yr old) comment. She asked what I was commenting on and I told her. her thoughts on the queue: "it's cool. it's like a museum."
 

marni1971

Park History nut
Premium Member
I am as disappointed as the next guy in the Yeti being in B or C or Tarp Mode, but it certainly doesn't make the ride a failure. Other than people like us that have ridden many many times, most riders don't have any idea that the yeti is not what it once was. They still love the experience of the roller coaster and are psyched up for the yeti experience in part because of what they saw in the queue.

That dosn`t make it right, but sadly is a view TDO have had too.
 

zooey

Well-Known Member
My annoyance is with the fact people act like he's God. They worship him like he's the cult leader.

Do people really do this? Or are you reacting to his presence on all those one-note Travel Channel "documentaries"? Rhode is a cool guy and I like what he's done, but I think you're partaking in a little hyperbole when you say that "people act like he's God." Who is doing this?

Also, EE does alot for the park far beyond the ride experience. There are many vistas that suddenly open up to reveal that gorgeous mountain in the distance. It's exciting and beautiful and makes Animal Kingdom one of the most--if not THE most--rewarding parks to just walk around in. If you think a ride should only perform on the merits of it's ride experience and that is IT, then why are you even at a Disney theme park? You can get more exciting rides elsewhere. EE isn't working as intended and that's a shame (hopefully rectified soon), but the ride as a whole functions and succeeds on multiple levels.

Also again: And what has Walt Disney ever done really? Now, I wasn't alive in '55, but from what I've seen, Disneyland looked lame when it first opened. Fantasia? I can hear that music on public radio (for now), why do I need to watch this crazy abstract nonsense along with my Stravinsky?

In the end...
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Scuttle

Well-Known Member
What's interesting is that when the legit a mode is back for good I will immediately book a 3 night stay at one of the deluxes. I often wonder if TDO has taken so long is because of money or strategy.
 

RSoxNo1

Well-Known Member
The Safari is pretty laughable after the first few hours of the day when the animals hide out, "If you look past that giant rock over there, you'll see the ear of a tiger peeking up!" And the little "hands on" exhibits are done much better (and in full A/C) in many other places on both coasts (Bronx Zoo, San Diego Zoo, etc).
When was the last time you saw a tiger on the Safari?
The flagship ride (Everest) is broken, and has been for the better part of half a decade; Dinosaur, the only real dark ride there is amazing but the lack of upkeep is pretty disappointing, and the two carnie rides next to it I try to not even walk past, let alone ride. Kali is OK, but no where near, say, Grizzly River Run over at DCA.
I know the popular comparison for Kali is Grizzly River Run, but I don't see a substantial difference between the two. The biggest comparison for me is Popeye & Bluto's at IOA. That's twice the ride that Kali is.
If I was looking to play with or see animals, I'd go to a zoo. Like the vast majority of the American public, I go to WDW for rides and attractions I can't get elsewhere. On that criteria, AK fails miserably, and it's quite clear why it's the least visited of the parks.
It nearly passed DHS a couple years ago. The only reason it didn't was because they finally decided to invest in DHS (TSMM). Having said that, many people agree with your position that you don't go to Disney World to see animals - that's fine. Personally I get a lot out of that, and I do go to zoos on a regular basis (I have an annual membership to two local zoos). You're absolutely right though, the park needs more rides, just like DHS. I'd argue that thrill rides aren't necessarily the problem with those two parks, but more family friendly attractions. I would say the opposite is true at the Magic Kingdom and Epcot where the need is for a thrill ride.
 

doppelv

New Member
I think AK needs more rides like KS, it infuses live animals with an experience you can't find at a local zoo.

I agree, I think it would be cool if Disney could create attractions at AK that take previously restrictive or dangerous experiences and open them to their guests. I would love to see an attraction that replicates the feeling of ziplining without actually having to zipline. I for one would love to do the real thing, but I have plenty of friends who would not be able to for various reasons. Making a moderate capacity attraction that gives guests a similar experience would be great.

The animals at AK are an asset, future attractions shouldn't be like Everest and just disregard their existence, they should seek to bring the magic of the animal world to their guests. *In a way that is not harmful to either guests or the animals!
 

BigThunderMatt

Well-Known Member
I know the popular comparison for Kali is Grizzly River Run, but I don't see a substantial difference between the two. The biggest comparison for me is Popeye & Bluto's at IOA. That's twice the ride that Kali is..

That's stretching it a little. Popeye & Bluto is, by far, the best use of the ride system. But Kali and Grizzly being fairly comparable? Not at all. Grizzly is, for one thing, considerably longer, and also much more enthralling.

No matter how many times I ride Kali, I always get off thinking, "Wow...that was it?" but on Grizzly I always came off feeling I'd gotten a good ride.
 

Cosmic Commando

Well-Known Member
That's stretching it a little. Popeye & Bluto is, by far, the best use of the ride system. But Kali and Grizzly being fairly comparable? Not at all. Grizzly is, for one thing, considerably longer, and also much more enthralling.

No matter how many times I ride Kali, I always get off thinking, "Wow...that was it?" but on Grizzly I always came off feeling I'd gotten a good ride.
Never been to IOA, but I definitely back you up re: Kali and Grizzly River Rapids. They are the same basic ride system, though, right? I think they both even have that cool rotating load platform?
 

PlaneJane

Well-Known Member
In the Parks
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Status Update:

Went on EE today, Steam was working, waterfalls were working, yeti area is pitch black even though the sound was still on, kinda disorienting with it black like that
 

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