WSJ: Even Disney Is Worried About The High Cost Of A Disney Vacation (gift link)

DarkMetroid567

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In the last few weeks, as everything's started to come together inside Monsters Unchained, the people I know working on it have said it's their best work. They're really happy.

I've seen some of the effects packages in Ministry. I can't say where or how, obviously. Standing feet from them, looking directly at the mechanisms involved, I still couldn't work out how it was done. "Hologram Yoda on the Starcruiser" levels of crazy.
I don’t doubt Universal’s capability to build a beautiful ride with incredible effects and set design (even Villain Con looks good!) — their issue has been building an actual fun and satisfying ride. I include Jurassic World Adventure in this. Some of the best animatronics in the world yet it meanders for half of its length and fails to be as exciting as a ride that came 20+ years prior.
I think the big questions with Epic now are reliability and capacity. Would not be surprised to hear a Phase 2 shortly after opening.
I’d love to see it, but do you have any idea of what the financials need to look like to make it happen? Do they have the money to do it?
I thought this was about Disney's problems not Universal
How Disney’s biggest and most likewise competitor does is pretty important. In the last five years Universal has been the park community’s darling in terms of “they’re building everything I want!” If attendance continues to drop and Epic underperforms, it means those fans are wrong and there are likely major impacts in the greater industry, too.
Maybe but IMO one thing that the theme park community does better than the Disney one is promoting parks with social media.
In my experience very rarely do those kinds of tweets or videos leave their own community.
 

Raineman

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Can I throw one more thing into the ring that may affect the cost of Disney vacations in some way, that Disney should be concerned about? Without getting too political or specific, starting immediately, and possibly for the next 4 years, Disney will be losing a significant amount of it's Canadian visitors completely, along with the revenues that they generate. Already, many Canadians are cancelling any trips to the US, now and in the foreseeable future. I'm sure Canadians make up a sizable chunk of WDW guests, especially his time of year, and Disney is gonna have to find a way to absorb those losses. I'm sure they'll start offering significantly discounted options for Canadian residents, but that means they will be making alot less profit from that segment of WDW customers, so will that lead them to increasing costs for everyone else to make up for it?
 

wedenterprises

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The crazy thing to me is that if Disney is truly worried about the cost of a Disney vacation, what are they doing at this moment to correct that? Not 5 years from now when they open new expansions that "add" value to the cost of things (when we know the prices will be even more than they are right now). They've stripped so much away from the on-property experience between removing Extra Magic Hours for all on-site guests equitably, removal of Magical Express (which was a guaranteed way to keep people IN the bubble and made it convenient for families with small children to fly into Orlando), removal of airline check-in and baggage drop at the hotels, removal of so many resort activities/amenities that they're too numerous to name, dumbing down of menu's across the property (the bar menu's in particular are almost always the same 10 drinks recycled), making FP/FP+ a paid add-on, insane increases on the party tickets, insane increases on daytime tickets, charging for magic bands for on-site guests, and a litany of other items.

I remember thinking in 2016-2019 how EASY it was to go to Disney, especially if we flew. I used to rave about it to co-workers (and this was before we had kids so the ones that had kids I would tell them how easy it would be to take them and not to worry) because if you flew, you simply tagged your luggage, checked it at the airport and never had to see it again until you got to your room at your resort - then when you left you dropped it off at the airport check-in desk, and you didn't worry about it until you got home. Need a ride to the resort? Don't worry - Disney's got you covered. Your park admission and staying even at the cheapest bed on property covers all of these things, including x, y, and z. It's such a great value. Sure you need to do a bit of planning with your fast pass and dining reservations, but other than that it's pretty much just go and enjoy. Oh, and if you don't get the FP you want don't fret - they'll often become available during the day if you really want to ride something.

Now, I don't even try to discuss it anymore - while we go still and do love it, it's so complicated and has gotten so expensive for everything. My wife and I make close to $250K in a low cost of living area roughly 4.5 hours from the parks and have a 4 year old and a 2 year old. We love Disney, love the nostalgia and the way we feel when we walk our kids down MSUSA even for the 5th time. WE are the ideal repeat guest - but they've started to lose us to the point where I'm not sure when we will go back. We've considered the cruise but don't want to do that until our youngest is 3 and completely potty trained so she can enjoy the kids club (and my wife is somewhat eh on cruises as the only one she went on she got Norovirus and was sick for 3 of the five days).

They are eroding their brand loyalty and simply, they really don't care. They want the guest who comes one time and spends $10,000 - not the guest who comes multiple times a year and spends the equivalent of that. What they fail to see (or simply don't believe it will eventually hurt them) is that those of us that love/loved vacationing at Disney are no longer raving about it to friends and family, and people are more and more frequently coming back from Orlando asking "was that really worth the money?" - That is not a good thing.
Agreed. I started telling people not to go to WDW around 2018/19. If you haven't been before, don't bother.
 

lazyboy97o

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Maybe but IMO one thing that the theme park community does better than the Disney one is promoting parks with social media.
The promotion obviously doesn’t translate into gate clicks.

Universal isn’t just pushing packaged visits to maintain visitation to the North Campus. Epic Universe cannot handle the same demand as the other parks. It lacks capacity.
 

Purduevian

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The promotion obviously doesn’t translate into gate clicks.

Universal isn’t just pushing packaged visits to maintain visitation to the North Campus. Epic Universe cannot handle the same demand as the other parks. It lacks capacity.
I think they will have more capacity than AK and possibly EPCOT and DHS. 5 coasters, 4 dark rides, 1 family boat ride, and 3 flat rides is quite a bit.
 

Jrb1979

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see also: “Starcruiser has a lot of hype in the Star Wars community”
That's fair. I doubt the shutter the park a year after opening. It's crazy to me how when it was first announced the excitement for Epic was high. Now that's it's almost open, every one is on the "It's going to fail" wagon.
 

ConfettiCupcake

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Can I throw one more thing into the ring that may affect the cost of Disney vacations in some way, that Disney should be concerned about? Without getting too political or specific, starting immediately, and possibly for the next 4 years, Disney will be losing a significant amount of it's Canadian visitors completely, along with the revenues that they generate. Already, many Canadians are cancelling any trips to the US, now and in the foreseeable future. I'm sure Canadians make up a sizable chunk of WDW guests, especially his time of year, and Disney is gonna have to find a way to absorb those losses. I'm sure they'll start offering significantly discounted options for Canadian residents, but that means they will be making alot less profit from that segment of WDW customers, so will that lead them to increasing costs for everyone else to make up for it?

I think it’s the worsening dollar that will do it more than any boycotts of the US will. They’ve had the Canadian discount tickets on and off for the last few years, and way back in the day they offered deals at par as well. Would be amazing to see UK style discounts and ticket structures for Canadians.
 

MickeyLuv'r

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Can I say something embarrassing? no one laugh please I don’t remember my first trip down Main Street USA! okay now you can throw your tomatoes
I don't either, but I have fond memories of the topiaries WDW used to have between the TTC and MK. They were the view from the monorail. I thought they were magical, but also understood WDW had created them.

I thought it would be amazing if every shrub everywhere was turned into a topiary of some kind, instead of boring hedges. (Even at that young age, I knew hedges were trimmed/pruned into shape.)
 

Disstevefan1

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Can I throw one more thing into the ring that may affect the cost of Disney vacations in some way, that Disney should be concerned about? Without getting too political or specific, starting immediately, and possibly for the next 4 years, Disney will be losing a significant amount of it's Canadian visitors completely, along with the revenues that they generate. Already, many Canadians are cancelling any trips to the US, now and in the foreseeable future. I'm sure Canadians make up a sizable chunk of WDW guests, especially his time of year, and Disney is gonna have to find a way to absorb those losses. I'm sure they'll start offering significantly discounted options for Canadian residents, but that means they will be making alot less profit from that segment of WDW customers, so will that lead them to increasing costs for everyone else to make up for it?
Just like hurricanes, this is also beyond Disney's control.
I wonder if Disney will use this as an excuse in their next quarterly report?
 
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Jrb1979

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I think it’s the worsening dollar that will do it more than any boycotts of the US will. They’ve had the Canadian discount tickets on and off for the last few years, and way back in the day they offered deals at par as well. Would be amazing to see UK style discounts and ticket structures for Canadians.
I don't see it happening much as Canadians have similar time off of work. They most likely don't see the value in it.

A little off topic but rumor is Herschend bought Marineland in Niagara Falls. If they make it similar to Silver Dollar City it will Canada a true theme park of their own.
 

TalkingHead

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That's fair. I doubt the shutter the park a year after opening. It's crazy to me how when it was first announced the excitement for Epic was high. Now that's it's almost open, every one is on the "It's going to fail" wagon.
Of course it won’t. The point is general consumers have to be drawn in consistently if a new park is to be a long-term success. Universal is banking on their customers being willing to add a day (or more) to their vacations there.

When you consider how Universal bungled the issue of a “third park” with Volcano Bay marketing, confusing to the general public, and they’re now running ads for saying visit the four parks, clearly trying to equal WDW, the whole thing just seems like confused messaging on top of the thin ice of the economy, travel industry, etc.
 

Jrb1979

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Of course it won’t. The point is general consumers have to be drawn in consistently if a new park is to be a long-term success. Universal is banking on their customers being willing to add a day (or more) to their vacations there.

When you consider how Universal bungled the issue of a “third park” with Volcano Bay marketing, confusing to the general public, and they’re now running ads for saying visit the four parks, clearly trying to equal WDW, the whole thing just seems like confused messaging on top of the thin ice of the economy, travel industry, etc.
Yes it can be confusing but IMO part of that is trying to get people to get used to staying at Universal for th majority of their vacation. As apose to the 2-3 days most do now.

What they should be doing is trying to convert those guests who have priced out of Disney.
 

Raineman

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Just like hurricanes, this is also beyond Disney's control.
I wonder of Disney will use this as an excuse in their next quarterly report?
It's definitely beyond their control, but they would have to respond to this possible loss in some way, right? And as far as your question-yes, yes, yes. I would almost be disappointed if they didn't😄
 

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