WOW - What a week at WDW

[Chi84]

This post is too uneducated to comprehend. I am not sure your point. There was a fight for higher minimum wage, which included raises on tipped wages (which has almost doubled in the last 10 years). They receive a higher wage now, which is now passed on to the patrons as higher food cost, and it is not unreasonable to adjust tipping standards in relation to the raised wage.

Grow up if you are suggesting/support people spitting in food because I tip 10% instead of 18%, when the bill comes, before they even know what I am going to tip to begin with.

Do you really tip 10% in New York? At WDW? Or are you just saying it would be acceptable?

Also, a post isn’t uneducated or incomprehensible just because you don’t like it.

 

[Disneylover69]

I’ll always leave a $5 and a thank you note on the dresser for a stranger who’s spending time where my toothbrush is.

Joking aside, housekeeping makes a big difference in the quality of the stay and I suspect they make far less than servers do.

On cruises where it’s customary I will leave a tip because they make a difference but for a one night stay or something similar I’m skeptical.

Why did I just know that lol?

Hey at least I’m consistent

 

[NelsonRD]

Do you really tip 10% in New York? At WDW? Or are you just saying it would be acceptable?

Also, a post isn’t uneducated or incomprehensible just because you don’t like it.

Suggesting that restaurant workers, that have had an average increase of over 60% in tipped wages over the years, are getting less because of a 8% tip reduction is poor math. Restaurant staff may feel the second and third order effects of this with less hours, and less people dining, but tipping at 10% instead of 18% isn’t making the big difference here.

I may not like tipping 18%, but I also did not suggest violence as a revenge tactic, by making people sick, because they don’t like it.

 

[Tigger&Pooh]

In NY tipped wage has also gone up to $15 an hour

Source? I'm finding New York State minimum wage is $15/hr in 2024 but tipped is only $10.00 (or in NYC that's $16.00 and $10.35, respectively). Not sure where you see tipped wage is $15 for NY. Minimums are increasing in 2025 but still not to what you claim.

Minimum Wage for Tipped Workers

Minimum wage laws operate differently for regularly tipped employees.

dol.ny.gov

 

[Chi84]

Source? I'm finding New York State minimum wage is $15/hr in 2024 but tipped is only $10.00 (or in NYC that's $16.00 and $10.35, respectively). Not sure where you see tipped wage is $15 for NY. Minimums are increasing in 2025 but still not to what you claim.

Minimum Wage for Tipped Workers

Minimum wage laws operate differently for regularly tipped employees.

dol.ny.gov

Sometimes people are just angry about minimum wage laws and make assumptions.

 

[NelsonRD]

Source? I'm finding New York State minimum wage is $15/hr in 2024 but tipped is only $10.00 (or in NYC that's $16.00 and $10.35, respectively). Not sure where you see tipped wage is $15 for NY. Minimums are increasing in 2025 but still not to what you claim.

Minimum Wage for Tipped Workers

Minimum wage laws operate differently for regularly tipped employees.

dol.ny.gov

You have to include the Tip credit.

From you own reference:

New York State law allows employers in the hospitality industry to satisfy the minimum wage by combining a “cash wage” paid by the employer with a credit or allowance for tips that the employee receives from customers. For example, the minimum wage for food service workers in New York City is $16.00 per hour. Their employers can satisfy the minimum wage by combining a cash wage of at least $10.65 with a tip allowance of no more than $5.35 per hour.

 

[willf]

On cruises where it’s customary I will leave a tip because they make a difference but for a one night stay or something similar I’m skeptical.


Hey at least I’m consistent

I don't particularly care whether they make a difference to me, I care whether I can make a difference to them. They work a grueling, frequently disgusting job. I can brighten their day a bit. I find that that makes me happy.

As far as restaurants go, I find the whole tip-as-reward concept vaguely grotesque. I have no desire to stand in judgment of someone's job performance by directly controlling their compensation. They are not performing animals acting as my servants, and I do not wish to see them as somehow needing to impress me. In short, I do not want power over them. In my view, my recourse for bad service is not returning. This is how virtually everything else in life works; I cannot decide how much to pay United after assessing how pleasant my flight was. So my behavior is simple: I always tip 20%, period. And I round to the nearest dollar because the seconds I would take to calculate the cents are worth more to me than the cents themselves.

 

[Chi84]

I don't particularly care whether they make a difference to me, I care whether I can make a difference to them. They work a grueling, frequently disgusting job. I can brighten their day a bit. I find that that makes me happy.

As far as restaurants go, I find the whole tip-as-reward concept vaguely grotesque. I have no desire to stand in judgment of someone's job performance by directly controlling their compensation. They are not performing animals acting as my servants, and I do not wish to see them as somehow needing to impress me. In short, I do not want power over them. In my view, my recourse for bad service is not returning. This is how virtually everything else in life works; I cannot decide how much to pay United after assessing how pleasant my flight was. So my behavior is simple: I always tip 20%, period. And I round to the nearest dollar because the seconds I would take to calculate the cents are worth more to me than the cents themselves.

How normal. What are you doing here?

 

[willf]

How normal. What are you doing here?

Oh, every once in a while common sense deserts me and I am seized by a quixotic desire to spread reason on the Internet.

 

[Tigger&Pooh]

You have to include the Tip credit.

My understanding of a "tip credit" is that it's not directly paid to the employee. The employee is still only paid cash wage of $10.65/hr in their paycheck, but taxed on $16/hr with the assumption customer tips make up the difference. So I don't get your argument against tips when the legal wage assumes the customer will tip.

 

[NelsonRD]

My understanding of a "tip credit" is that it's not directly paid to the employee. The employee is still only paid cash wage of $10.65/hr in their paycheck, but taxed on $16/hr with the assumption customer tips make up the difference. So I don't get your argument against tips when the legal wage assumes the customer will tip.

It was a simple theory that questioned as wages has increased over the last few years, should we reconsider the tip amount because some of that increase has been passed on to the consumer as higher food prices and included credit card fees.

 

[Chi84]

It was a simple theory that questioned as wages has increased over the last few years, should we reconsider the tip amount because some of that increase has been passed on to the consumer as higher food prices and included credit card fees.

Don’t wages normally tend to increase?

 

[Disneylover69]

So y

I don't particularly care whether they make a difference to me, I care whether I can make a difference to them. They work a grueling, frequently disgusting job. I can brighten their day a bit. I find that that makes me happy.

As far as restaurants go, I find the whole tip-as-reward concept vaguely grotesque. I have no desire to stand in judgment of someone's job performance by directly controlling their compensation. They are not performing animals acting as my servants, and I do not wish to see them as somehow needing to impress me. In short, I do not want power over them. In my view, my recourse for bad service is not returning. This is how virtually everything else in life works; I cannot decide how much to pay United after assessing how pleasant my flight was. So my behavior is simple: I always tip 20%, period. And I round to the nearest dollar because the seconds I would take to calculate the cents are worth more to me than the cents themselves.

So You want to abolish tipping all together?

 

[NelsonRD]

Don’t wages normally tend to increase?

Yes, COLA is around 2% a year, but in recent years, minimum wage and tipped wage have surpassed that. You can argue the wage was stale, and justify the increase. Either way, I am sure I speak for a lot of people when I say 18-20% on top of an expensive dining bill can be hard to provide. I have a family of 4, at Cinderella’s Royal Table, a 20% tip would be over $50 for 1 hour of service, for 1 meal. This has no ill will towards servers, but the overpriced menu, increase wage, and additional credit fees, makes 18-20% hard to support.

 

[Chi84]

So You want to abolish tipping all together?

Speaking only for myself, I wouldn't want that. But I do treat the 18 or 20% as a base part of the server's pay, since they are making so little per hour. I reward exceptional service with something more.

Joe's Crab Shack tried to eliminate tipping at some of their locations several years ago and it didn't work. Designated locations included a card with the check that informed customers tips were not necessary because the servers were being paid a living wage or something along those lines. They lost customers at those locations so the experiment ended.

 

[Touchdown]

I too tip the housekeepers $5 every day. I get great service because of it.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

So y

So You want to abolish tipping all together?

Having worked as a restaurant server, walking out with money in my pocket was one of the things I loved about the job, but that was back when most people paid in cash.

Nowadays, I'm inclined to say the tipping system is broken. During the pandemic, I could see adding a tip to some carry out orders, but the add-a-tip option is now everywhere, and out of control. And the SUGGESTED amount often STARTS above 20%. For carry out!

One problem is the retail places that now ask us to round up and add a donation. It is just kinda everywhere, and a bit overwhelming to be asked for extra with every retail purchase.

These days, outside of WDW, I rarely dine at table service places anymore. I much prefer fast casual places where I can choose my own food combinations. It now seems backwards to me to dine at places where the chef insists that all the salads and entrees come with specific vegetables, a specific starch, and the amount of salt/seasoning the chef prefers.

I would love to see tipping go away, but I doubt the people of this country could agree on fair wages and fair prices for food.

 

[Chi84]

It now seems backwards to me to dine at places where the chef insists that all the salads and entrees come with specific vegetables, a specific starch, and the amount of salt/seasoning the chef prefers.

I would love to see tipping go away, but I doubt the people of this country could agree on fair wages and fair prices for food.

I'm not sure why you need to label it as "backwards." But yes, if you aren't talking about places like Jaleo, Flying Fish, Jiko or the like, then it's different.

The chefs at higher-end restaurants pride themselves on developing flavor and ingredient combinations that best highlight what the restaurant offers. But if I were at a fast-casual place, I would expect to choose my own sides - “no fries - chips” lol.

 

[Goofyernmost]

This post is too uneducated to comprehend. I am not sure your point. There was a fight for higher minimum wage, which included raises on tipped wages (which has almost doubled in the last 10 years). They receive a higher wage now, which is now passed on to the patrons as higher food cost, and it is not unreasonable to adjust tipping standards in relation to the raised wage.

Grow up if you are suggesting/support people spitting in food because I tip 10% instead of 18%, when the bill comes, before they even know what I am going to tip to begin with.

Sorry, you don't comprehend, but what you want to do is not improve the plight of those tip reliant people. You want them to make the same amount of money except that you don't want to directly pay for it. You don't give a tinkers damn how desperately poor some of those folks are. If their employers were to raise their pay to the point that exceeds what they are currently making with tips, then they could just eliminate tipping by just raising prices to cover it. If they only go up and you go down nothing has happened to improve their way of life. Perhaps you could live with that, but I could not.

 

[MickeyLuv'r]

I'm not sure why you need to label it as "backwards." But yes, if you aren't talking about places like Jaleo, Flying Fish, Jiko or the like, then it's different.

The chefs at higher-end restaurants pride themselves on developing flavor and ingredient combinations that best highlight what the restaurant offers. But if I were at a fast-casual place, I would expect to choose my own sides - “no fries - chips” lol.

IMO, fast casual and kiosk ordering are the next generation in dining. A big reason we much prefer them is because food orders are far more accurate. In that sense, we consider it the next generation of dining.