TikibirdLand
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I've seen videos; didn't get to experience it in person. Would have loved it too!
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Worst mistake in Epcot history
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I loved World of Motion. Went on it October 1982 and then got to go on Horizons October 1983. I still watch youtube videos of it, grainy but takes me right back. Feels like my dad.
(not the grainy part...)
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mergatroid
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I once ordered a curry at The Rose & Crown and they cooked and served me fish and chips instead for some unfathomable reason, does that count?
WDWJoeG
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Disney isn't an optimistic, inspiring company any longer - it's about "rides", tired "things go wrong" or "listen recruit" storylines, and building giant oil rigs blocking the views beautifully created by the Imagineering giants whose legend they are diminishing and insulting everyday.
Disney is now Six Flags with bigger budgets to waste.
WondersOfLife
Blink, blink. Breathe, breathe. Day in, day out.
Not updating the attractions in Wonders of Life over the years followed by its decay and closure.
correcaminos
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Nah, I actually liked WoM more but I really enjoyed both. If I had to pick, you'd find me on WoM over Horizons though.
I would have given Journey the edge in this poll, but the barges are unforgivable.
The Lochness Monsta
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Removing Horizons was the biggest mistake. At least with World of Motion we got Test Track.
TikibirdLand
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Well, you got Mission: Space, right? It's a good attraction. I think they should have kept Horizons. But, here we are...
Goofyernmost
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Mission: Space is a great and far more fun then Horizons. Once they did the stationary side it was cool for everyone. Horizons was great as well but for different reasons. Horizons had a limited life and became a ride to take to get out of the heat. I'd bet that all those that are complaining about Horizons being gone would be so bored with it by now that mostly they would have flat out stopped going like so many did with all the Future world attractions that are still remaining. Even World of Motion would have been a ghost town by now. They all had their time in the sun and were perfect at the time they were opened, but life changes, wants change, tastes change and demand changes. Don't get me wrong, I loved the old Epcot, but years ago in the 90's, I witnessed the decline in riders for all of them. Those that went to them remember the massive switchback lines in those buildings and how they were full all the time. A decade in they were all walk ons. It just wasn't all that impressive to the next generation.
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UNCgolf
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Only because the content was outdated, not because there was anything fundamentally wrong with the ride system. Otherwise you should be arguing that Pirates of the Caribbean, Haunted Mansion, etc. should all be shut down and replaced with something newer.
I would much rather ride the original version of Horizons than Misson: SPACE right now, despite how outdated it would be.
TikibirdLand
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We always do Carousel of Progress when at MK. If Horizons was still there, it would be on our MUST DO list as well. We also love The TIki Room (of course I would!) too. Just because it's old, doesn't make it "outdated". To each their own!
TwilightZone
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Reminder that Mission:SPACE was at one point in time, going to be a more faithful successor to Horizons, using the same ride system and having the simulators as a side attraction.
So the ride system itself is timeless.
So the ride system itself is timeless.
Goofyernmost
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The content wasn't outdated, it was mostly a look into the imagined future most of which still hasn't happened. How do we define outdated. To me it is stuff that has already happened being depicted as the future. In that sense it was not outdated just not repetitive. After the first few times it just wasn't exciting to look at. That is in direct conflict with PoC and HM which are fun but mostly nostalgic. Horizons was a good ride in it's time had a different ride vehicle but was disappointing in many area, especially the ending. Even though the concept of choosing you own scene was creative and the technology was outstanding the finished product was blurry, sometime unidentifiable, lacking in clear quality and a disappointment to me. Great idea, poor outcome. That part was the part that needed upgrading. Pirates and HM are timeless because they tell a non-reality story that only needs to be dusted off on occasion. There is not expectations or even idea that it is outdated. How could it be, they are there strictly for entertainment and does not attempt to predict anything. That is what makes them timeless.
The major part is our inability to understand that those that still think it was a mistake to get rid of it are a minority. That group were not enough to pay the bills so to speak. Mission: Space was exciting and let you semi experience the real thing. It had the misfortune of two people dyeing while on the ride, early on. Either a case of unknown medical problems or failure to take the massive warnings posted everywhere seriously. That set it back and gave it a bad reputation. It was much shorter then Horizons, but it really did pack a lot of excitement and imagined participation and control in that short time. It is the only ride that, when over, I loudly exclaimed "that was awesome". I have mostly always enjoyed all the rides at WDW, but never to that extent. I strongly do not appreciate the alteration to the Green side. It isn't at all the same experience and is proof that "updating" especially with Disney, is not often an improvement. I always loved the Orange Side, health changes make riding it close to a Kamikaze mission for me. So I do heed the warning signs now to avoid being a statistic.
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Goofyernmost
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I agree, and I probably would ride it as well, but when comparing it to CoP have you noticed how few people ride it these days. It is always why less then half full. A huge contrast to how it was in the early 80's. However, CoP is not only important for it's nostalgia, but as a major historical connection with Walt himself, and the start of a new era in animatronics. Walt wasn't alive when Horizons was built and although it was the continuation of CoP, it just didn't have the same power of importance.
pantalones79
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I personally found Mission: Space to be a disappointment, not because it wasn't Horizons, but because the experience was explicitly "themed" as a simulation. We all know we're not going to space on Space Mountain, but the collective suspension of disbelief is a big part of the fun. Mission: Space decided against that, and the ride experience itself in and of itself isn't fun or interesting enough to pay it off. (That, and we all know pushing the buttons doesn't do a dang thing.)
Now, I think it's likely they couldn't figure out how to get people into and out of the centrifuges in a way that made that simulation feel real (think: Hydrolators) but it seems like a problem they solved with Millennium Falcon: Smuggler's Run.
If Mission: Space had been structured as a ride docking with a space station and actually brought you to a pavilion in space, I think it would have been a much bigger success. And a Stellarvator not exclusive to the restaurant could have been a secondary way of getting there for folks with health issues.
UNCgolf
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It was outdated. It was a mid 1980s look at the future that was no longer remotely contemporary. When people envision the future now it looks absolutely nothing like the version in Horizons.
You keep projecting your own personal view onto the world at large. I think Horizons was far more fun than Mission: SPACE. That may be a minority view, but it may not be -- it's not like Mission: SPACE is wildly popular. Regardless, Horizons clearly connected with more people than Mission: SPACE ever has.
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If only they had managed to find a few dollars in the executive couch cushions to update it... Any argument about Horizons being outdated and no one would be riding it today neglects simple logic - It would not have been left in it's original state. And it should not have, either.
That's his MO. Not worth engaging in any meaningful way, because within 3 posts he will always revert back to "if I didn't experience it first-hand, it didn't happen"/"It doesn't matter to me, why does it matter to anyone?", and then get upset when people call him out on it. It's almost as if dozens of us have seen this pattern emerge over years of posts.
And you're very much correct - Horizons connected with park goers far more than M:S ever has or will.
TwilightZone
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I think overall the takeaway is not "Horizons is outdated" but "Mission:SPACE is in desperate need of a retheme/makeover". The theming I think is the one thing that makes Mission:Space not as beloved as its charming predecessor. If the ride "took place" in an actual space station or even in space, then it would be more memorable as an overall experience. Notice how much positive feedback is around for the restaurant right next door, there's a good reason for that, it is all in the theming.
It’s still a machine spinning capsules really, really fast to simulate G forces. Not sure how you could re-theme that into anything else.