News World Drive Magic Kingdom Intersection Re-Design

Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
Yep...that’s was always and issue before construction and I don’t see it stopping
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Maybe they could go back to the old radio guidance from back in the 80's. It simply told everyone which lane to be in if they were going to MK or to Epcot or other places. It was zoned so that the closer you got the more detailed it became. Even if you missed a sign because a truck or something blocked your view, the radio instruction made it easy. I'm not saying forever, but, at least a while until people get used to it. If I had to guess, I would think that the beginners would be more intense on watching signs and the many time visitors might just be driving from habit and at the last minute need swerve over to get in the proper lane. Just a theory.
 
MrPromey

MrPromey

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
Honestly...they should have moved the toll plaza way back into the parking lot lanes...out of play from the vista boulevard. It’s not in the right spot
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Agreed. this could have been designed into the flyovers themselves to hide what they are a little ala Hollywood Studios current main entrance or put after them so that you don't go through all that highway-like stuff after you've entered, too.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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DisneyCane said:
I know it includes a station but the Las Vegas monorail's proposed 1.14 mile extension is estimated (by them) to cost $110 million.
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So the distance between guest areas is 3-4 Miles give or take on average.

You do the math, people...you’re talking up near the billion dollar range to take it anywhere. They haven’t even flinched in the one move that makes sense: a spur to wilderness lodge.

Iger and chapek are blue ocean guys...there is no such thing as an acceptable sunk cost that you can’t link to a future profit. That is the monorail in essence...a sunk cost. In Vegas...they can point to increased foot traffic from a larger pool.

The Disney hotels hold what they hold...as do the parks...and they already move them around with belchers. No advantage.
 
Creathir

Creathir

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Just a minor photo update, I’d guess the new south bound flyover is nearing completion.
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Rodan75

Rodan75

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
Iger and chapek are blue ocean guys...there is no such thing as an acceptable sunk cost that you can’t link to a future profit. That is the monorail in essence...a sunk cost. In Vegas...they can point to increased foot traffic from a larger pool.
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I'm not sure you are using Blue Ocean in the right context here. But I agree with the rest of your thought, there is no business justification for the Monorail to be expanded to Wilderness Lodge, but that has a lot more to do with CapEx business fundamentals than any specific strategy. Blue Ocean as a strategy, doesn't mean what a lot of folks here imply it to mean, in its simplest form it is just competing for business in ways that make it harder for others to compete with you, some folks refer to it as creating a 'moat' around your business. (Think the Nintendo Wii and now the Switch, Apple's App Store, Disney Magical Express)

Disney applying Blue Ocean to their current environment is leveraging its IP in the Parks. Any Theme Park can have highly themed environments and rides, but Only Disney can have Star Wars, Toy Story, Frozen and Guardians of the Galaxy, etc. (obviously YMMV on whether you think that is a good thing or not).
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Rodan75 said:
I'm not sure you are using Blue Ocean in the right context here. But I agree with the rest of your thought, there is no business justification for the Monorail to be expanded to Wilderness Lodge, but that has a lot more to do with CapEx business fundamentals than any specific strategy. Blue Ocean as a strategy, doesn't mean what a lot of folks here imply it to mean, in its simplest form it is just competing for business in ways that make it harder for others to compete with you, some folks refer to it as creating a 'moat' around your business. (Think the Nintendo Wii and now the Switch, Apple's App Store, Disney Magical Express)

Disney applying Blue Ocean to their current environment is leveraging its IP in the Parks. Any Theme Park can have highly themed environments and rides, but Only Disney can have Star Wars, Toy Story, Frozen and Guardians of the Galaxy, etc. (obviously YMMV on whether you think that is a good thing or not).
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I don’t disagree with that at all...having recently completed some “light reading”
On it.

But after the moat is constructed...blue ocean requires you to slaughter all the villagers within the castle and sell their belongings to the orcs...
Metaphorically speaking.

Mine it out...that’s why you build the moat. The reality is there is little need for the monorail if money can be saved otherwise...it isn’t what it once was to Disney.
 
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Rodan75

Rodan75

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
I don’t disagree with that at all...having recently completed some “light reading”
On it.

But after the moat is constructed...blue ocean requires you to slaughter all the villagers within the castle and sell their belongings to the orcs...
Metaphorically speaking.

Mine it out...that’s why you build the moat. The reality is there is little need for the monorail if money can be saved otherwise...it isn’t what it once was to Disney.
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Yeah. But any good business does basic ROI on Capital funding. Disney has generally been a fairly fiscally responsible organization since the beginning. So to imply that they would have done it before in some magical time, isn’t really true.

Once it wasn’t justified in the original build...it was never going to be justified. As much as we may have wanted it...there just wasn’t a good justifiable reason to do it. (Unless they could make a payback via higher room rates in a year or two)

Bottom line. I agree with you. But for slightly different reasons.🤓
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Rodan75 said:
Yeah. But any good business does basic ROI on Capital funding. Disney has generally been a fairly fiscally responsible organization since the beginning. So to imply that they would have done it before in some magical time, isn’t really true.

Once it wasn’t justified in the original build...it was never going to be justified. As much as we may have wanted it...there just wasn’t a good justifiable reason to do it. (Unless they could make a payback via higher room rates in a year or two)

Bottom line. I agree with you. But for slightly different reasons.🤓
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The reason I applied the tactic to the monorail is that the logical move is to replace it with somthing more efficient. It’s like running a 1910 powerhouse that burns anthracite next to a brand new CNG or LNG plant...it’s awfuk from a cost standpoint. That system was designed in 1965 and can’t really be upgraded. Power was cheap then and you could get parts.

I see many who argue that they “can’t” get rid of it...why? Warm and fuzzies?

Hell no...I’ve seen posters swear they or others won’t book...

Bull...nothing would stop those saying that from booking their PV CL MK

And they know it...pounders are completely disingenuous.
 
Walt d

Walt d

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
The reason I applied the tactic to the monorail is that the logical move is to replace it with somthing more efficient. It’s like running a 1910 powerhouse that burns anthracite next to a brand new CNG or LNG plant...it’s awfuk from a cost standpoint. That system was designed in 1965 and can’t really be upgraded. Power was cheap then and you could get parts.

I see many who argue that they “can’t” get rid of it...why? Warm and fuzzies?

Hell no...I’ve seen posters swear they or others won’t book...

Bull...nothing would stop those saying that from booking their PV CL MK

And they know it...pounders are completely disingenuous.
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The monorail is 2 millon a mile to build.
 

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