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Wookies, & Rebels, & Droids... OH WHY?! The Anti-SWL in Disneyland Thread

Discussion in 'Disneyland Resort' started by raven24, Apr 20, 2016.

  1. Curious Constance

    Curious Constance Well-Known Member

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    This may seem odd, but I actually hope the new land isn't too, too immersive. I don't really have any interest in taking part in any public scene or role play. I'd love seeing actors performing, as long as they don't try too hard to get me involved.
     
  2. mickEblu

    mickEblu Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. Please don't annoy me when I'm walking around, scarfing down my churro.

    I have a feeling this total immersion thing will be too hard and expensive of an act to keep up long term. I would suggest visiting within the first couple years to anyone that wants the "full" experience.
     
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  3. zooey

    zooey Well-Known Member

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    Star Wars is a story dramatically told so there's moments of winning and losing but the whole point of the story is that the light side wins in the end. People love the bad guys because they're a part of that story and play their parts well but you can't possibly say that Star Wars isn't ultimately a wholesome uplifting story with great moral fabric. It's based on Campbell's hero's journey theories. Its themes resonate across all time and culture.
    You're surely right that the method and level of theming make the uncomplicated nature of Disneyland look quaint and nostalgic in comparison, but the actual worthiness of Star Wars as philosophy next to the philosophy of Disneyland is not a problem and works just fine if you ask me.
     
  4. DDLand

    DDLand Well-Known Member

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    It's true the content holds appeal, but isn't part of Disneyland's allure doing its own individual thing? It's adapted, Big Thunder and Indy, but it has largely stayed true to its core tenants.

    We're on completely uncharted territory here. I still think this is a pretty terrible thing, but some people view this positively. Either way, I think at the very least this is a major evolution.

    Good question! Shanghai represents the most modern park we've seen to date. The whole experience has been rethought for modern audiences. Pirates Cove in particular is more rough. Most people have pointed out just how massively different Shanghai Disneyland and Disneyland are; it's stuff like that draw the line. Less Nostalgia there too. Did you know Shanghai Disneyland is the only Disney Park in the chain to not feature an American Inspired section? I've been crafting a review of Shanghai Disneyland which will touch on some of those philosophical points.

    Though it's coming slowly... ;)

    Needless to say, I think there is a time and a place for the storytelling Star Wars Experience employs, (One could say Animal Kingdom is more like SWE than Disneyland) but that doesn't necissitate losing the unique identity of other Parks.

    Disneyland has always been so successful because it's Disneyland.
    This is a very valid concern. If you're interested, I'd head over to the SW Celebration thread in the Studios redevelopment section for the complete story.

    The idea is you will get what you put into it. If you want a lot of character interactions, just contribute more. If you want less, just don't engage. The computer should be able to handle it.

    Whether this works or not remains to be seen. It could be extremely intimidating for casual guests; I'm worried that only a few will participate.

    It's intriguing nonetheless!

    The land isn't a retelling of the story though; it's gonna be a mad world! Story Engine is going to let you do some crazy stuff.

    You're also talking about the series that brought us Han Solo and Chewbacca. It's a little more ambiguous, and it's only getting more by each film!
     
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  5. Dr. Hans Reinhardt

    Dr. Hans Reinhardt Well-Known Member

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    The audience intended to consume DL in the 50s was white middle class suburban Americans. Many Americans then (and to this day) didn't relate to the sanitized white Hollywood viewpoint of the world that DL represented because it's a world they were largely excluded from. So, while the basic themes of past, future, and fantasy are timeless, I don't agree that there's a static set of rules and restrictions established in 1955 that govern what is appropriate for Disneyland until the end of time.
     
  6. DDLand

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    I hear you, but at the same time Disneyland has largely been governed by those principals for 60 years. If the park didn't reasonate, why did it take so long for the company to abandon those tenants? That spirit of optimism, hope, and nostalgia have worked for Disneyland and have helped it be ingrained in the hearts of tens of millions.

    It seems like the original intent worked quite well; is it worth losing that? If it hadn't worked, we wouldn't be on this forum.


    I'm still worried about and upset about this. They're working with something irreplaceable, so anything done needs to be projects that keep the spirit alive.

    Edit: To be clear, the park has rightly moved beyond some of the inaccurate/unacceptable 1950s concepts and traits. What hasn't changed is that hopeful optimism. That's what I'm talking about; new guests are still learning to love those ideals 60 years later. Not many works of literature or film can claim that.
     
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  7. BrianLo

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    So what you are saying is... Star Wars is our only hope?
     
  8. DDLand

    DDLand Well-Known Member

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    Hey, next to Disneyland, Star Wars is just a whippersnapper!

    What Disneyland needs is more... Disneyland! ;)
     
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  9. Dr. Hans Reinhardt

    Dr. Hans Reinhardt Well-Known Member

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    You might be assuming that everybody loves Disneyland. Certainly Disney isn't having any trouble attracting customers, but SW Land will undoubtedly attract new fans, which is important if the park is to remain relevant for future generations.
     
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  10. raven24

    raven24 Well-Known Member Original Poster

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    Yaaasssss! The park needs more of what it saw during its first 25-30 years of existence.
     
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  11. Dr. Hans Reinhardt

    Dr. Hans Reinhardt Well-Known Member

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    Does SW Land really do away with that or does it add another layer to an already exceptional entertainment experience?

    To be fair films and literature are static while Walt Disney always intended DL to be a work in progress, not to mention that there are literally thousands of past film, television, and literary works that attract new fans every day.
     
  12. Donaldfan1934

    Donaldfan1934 Well-Known Member

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    I'm 100% in agreement with everything you say here especially after Star Wars Celebration. From what the Imagineers and Lucasfilm artists were saying, this is a completely new kind of land with levels of interactivity that are unprecedented. On it's own, it sounds spectacular, especially for a park that's reinventing its identity like DHS. It also fits the celebration of movies part of its identity that's being retained. However, Disneyland is not only the LAST park that needs an identity reinvention, but it completely and utterly clashes with the rest of the park. Of all the poor decisions Disney has made in the past few years, this is easily the worst and most lasting.
     
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  13. sedati

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    Reminds me of that famous Walt quote, "You can always top pigs with pigs."
     
  14. Mike S

    Mike S Well-Known Member

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    But Indy didn't open till 40 years... ;)
     
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  15. britain

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    I think the imagineers knew that this would be substantially different than the rest of DL, and thus the great lengths being made to hide it from the rest of the park experience. Imagine the furor if this space port was actually along the shores of the river! Or if it completely replaced Tomorrowland!
     
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  16. TMH

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    I must be the minority that thinks Indy is so out of place at Disneyland. It's a fun ride, but it sucked the life out of the rest of Adventureland and turned it into a stroller park.

    It's a parasite on an otherwise charming land. Can't help but feel SWL will have a similar effect.
     
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  17. ctrlaltdel

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    I know we've had this discussion before, but I think it's tough to argue that SWL isn't in the best possible spot to affect the rest of the park the least. They really did the most they could to keep it hidden and somewhat separate, while also taking out the least amount of stuff. But I understand that the mere fact that it is located in Disneyland is bothersome to many.
     
  18. Donaldfan1934

    Donaldfan1934 Well-Known Member

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    In all honesty, the Imagineers making the best out of the bad situation Iger handed them is the best thing about all of this. Despite being shortened, the RoA improvements look very nice. I do have concerns about the Fantasmic! changes, but most things seem to handled as well as they can be. But even so, it still doesn't full make up for the monumental culture clash this will cause. From the moment it opens, SWL will become the star of the park and detract from everything else which go's completely against one of Disneyland's core philosophies. IMG_1545.JPG
     
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  19. raven24

    raven24 Well-Known Member Original Poster

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    In my opinion, Star Tours ruined Tomorrowland more than Indy ruined Adventureland, not that I even believe Indy ruined Adventureland. I think the former is a worse offense.
     
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  20. Rich T

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    Aside from losing ATI (which, admittedly, was on its last legs), I didn't mind the original Star Tours in TL. I liked the backstory of the intergalactic travel company (with a slick PR surface and a slimy cost-cutting corporate underbelly) setting up shop. And, since it was the public's first chance to ride a full-tilt military flight simulator, it also fit TL's exciting-new-tech theme. IP is another issue, but I'd rather have the (at the time) non-Disney Star Wars ride than a ride based on some awful Disney Sci-fi property like Black Hole or Tron (great concept, weak films).
     
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