Wookies, & Rebels, & Droids... OH WHY?! The Anti-SWL in Disneyland Thread

[TP2000]

I disagree - your logic would argue that Pirates and HM have created unhealthy attachments as well.

A great show doesn't date itself and appeals to generation after generation. F! was very good at both those things.. on the backs of very solid films (unlike DHS's chose of miserable Pocohontas). Technology updates, improvements like the Dragon, and other tweaks (like to the floats, or segments) can lead to a show remaining fresh without the need to overhaul it or shift it radically.

I'm making a differentiation between a ride (Pirates, Mansion) and a show (Fantasmic!, Alladin, Mickey & Magical Map). I think most Disneyland visitors do that also.

-- Lastly, more of a joke but...they're building E-tickets. Disneyland fans need to count their blessings. You're lucky you don't get Dinorama, or hyped up expansions that lead to a cloned ride and a D-ticket coaster that got reduced from an E.

Thanks for the balanced analysis. Good thoughts there.

But yeah, the E Ticket thing. Star Wars Land is going to add two massive, big-budget E Tickets to a park that is brimming with E Tickets. Star Wars Land will cement Disneyland as the King of the E Tickets for likely the rest of time, or at least the next 25 years.

Assuming Star Wars opens in Anaheim in 2019, the E Ticket arms race will look like this in 2019:

Disneyland = 36 Rides, 13 Are E Tickets (Jungle Cruise, Indiana Jones, Pirates, Mansion, Splash Mt., Thunder Mt., Matterhorn Bobsleds, Small World, Submarines, Space Mt., Star Tours, Star Wars 1, Star Wars 2)

Tokyo Disneyland = 26 Rides, 8 Are E Tickets (Jungle Cruise, Pirates, Mansion, Splash Mt., Thunder Mt., Small World, Space Mt., Star Tours)

WDW Magic Kingdom = 25 Rides, 7 Are E Tickets (Jungle Cruise, Pirates, Mansion, Splash Mt., Thunder Mt., Small World, Space Mt.)

Disneyland Paris = 21 Rides, 6 Are E Tickets (Pirates, Phantom Manor, Thunder Mt., Small World, Space Mt., Star Tours)

Hong Kong Disneyland = 16 Rides, 5 Are E Tickets (Jungle Cruise, Small World, Space Mt., Grizzly, Mystic Manor)

Shanghai Disneyland = 14 Rides, 4 Are E Tickets (Soarin', Pirates, TRON Lightcycle, Roaring Rapids)

 

[flynnibus]

I'm making a differentiation between a ride (Pirates, Mansion) and a show (Fantasmic!, Alladin, Mickey & Magical Map). I think most Disneyland visitors do that also.

A distinction that is predetermined.. and not supported by your reasoning of why the outcome happens.. as the things you outline are not unique to a show.

 

[SuddenStorm]

I like to look at the shows like shows that are outside theme parks- Wicked, Les Mis, etc. You wouldn't go back and change Hamilton in a decade for the sake of change, if something is good it doesn't need an update.

I'd be more in favor of them just ending Fantasmic, and putting in an entirely new show with a new theme, story, etc. that utilizes the island, Columbia, and Twain differently. This would allow the show to be great on it's own merits, and help it not be compared to the original F as much. It would also allow Disney greater freedom with utilizing newer animated films and properties.

But, even with changes I'm not entirely for, I just hope that they end up being really good.

 

[SuddenStorm]

Does anyone know how visible SWL will be from NOS, Frontierland, and the hub?

 

[GiveMeTheMusic]

Does anyone know how visible SWL will be from NOS, Frontierland, and the hub?

It won't be. The trees and rock work being built are meant to completely shield it from view anywhere outside of the land itself.

 

[SuddenStorm]

It won't be. The trees and rock work being built are meant to completely shield it from view anywhere outside of the land itself.

That's a plus, and a minus. It'd be cool to see some landmark from the hub.

 

[Earl Sweatpants]

Does anyone know how visible SWL will be from NOS, Frontierland, and the hub?

Hopefully not at all.

 

[dweezil78]

Fantasmic you mean?

No... Fantasmic is the show the general public gets to see. I take it you've never heard of Fantastic.

 

[Phroobar]

-- It does feel like a tumor in the back left portion of the park.

-- As mentioned before and still I haven't seen a good answer to this, if the argument extends to how much space its taking up, then where is the outrage for Autopia, or Jungle Cruise, attractions that take up acres of property alone? In the 12 acres there will be several different experiences, so I'd argue it is a more effective use of space than any of those attractions.

Pure anti-star wars-ism. Notice how no one screams about Avatarland. Granted it's at a crappy half day zoo and not at Disneyland which somehow makes it a violation of sacred Walt ground. They might as well be removing the headstones and leaving the bodies.

 

[DDLand]

Pure anti-star wars-ism. Notice how no one screams about Avatarland. Granted it's at a crappy half day zoo and not at Disneyland which somehow makes it a violation of sacred Walt ground. They might as well be removing the headstones and leaving the bodies.

Have you been to Disney's Animal Kingdom in the last two years?

If you did and you still feel this way, this explains why we can't have nice things.

People were passionately anti Avatar, but now it's here whether we like it or not. I still think its placement at Disney's Animal Kingdom is a travesty. There is some peace with it because it looks visually impressive, but I still remain resentful of that shoehorning in.

Star Wars Land deserves to exist, but in a place that works.

 

[spacemt354]

Pure anti-star wars-ism. Notice how no one screams about Avatarland. Granted it's at a crappy half day zoo and not at Disneyland which somehow makes it a violation of sacred Walt ground. They might as well be removing the headstones and leaving the bodies.

A lot of people on this site and Disney fans in general have screamed about Avatar haha.

I actually view Star Wars land in a similar light to that. DAK purists don't want extensive IP in the park. There is some overlap with environmental awareness, and mythical creatures, but I don't think you would have heard much complaints if it was based on an original concept. Same can be said with Star Wars Land.

The issue I see isn't that it's not good or anything, it's that it's Star Wars, and there are better places for this land. To that, I can say from being lukewarm to just pure frustration at the inclusion of Frozen in Norway, after riding it and seeing that it actually is an upgrade to what was there prior, I lightened up on it.

I have a feeling a similar situation will happen next summer with Avatar and then especially with Star Wars Land in a few years.

In sports terms, if you win the Super Bowl, people overlook the nitpicks...so if Disney knocks this out of the park, I have faith it'll work out in the end.

 

[Mike S]

Thanks for the balanced analysis. Good thoughts there.

But yeah, the E Ticket thing. Star Wars Land is going to add two massive, big-budget E Tickets to a park that is brimming with E Tickets. Star Wars Land will cement Disneyland as the King of the E Tickets for likely the rest of time, or at least the next 25 years.

Assuming Star Wars opens in Anaheim in 2019, the E Ticket arms race will look like this in 2019:

Disneyland = 36 Rides, 13 Are E Tickets (Jungle Cruise, Indiana Jones, Pirates, Mansion, Splash Mt., Thunder Mt., Matterhorn Bobsleds, Small World, Submarines, Space Mt., Star Tours, Star Wars 1, Star Wars 2)

Tokyo Disneyland = 26 Rides, 8 Are E Tickets (Jungle Cruise, Pirates, Mansion, Splash Mt., Thunder Mt., Small World, Space Mt., Star Tours)

WDW Magic Kingdom = 25 Rides, 7 Are E Tickets (Jungle Cruise, Pirates, Mansion, Splash Mt., Thunder Mt., Small World, Space Mt.)

Disneyland Paris = 21 Rides, 6 Are E Tickets (Pirates, Phantom Manor, Thunder Mt., Small World, Space Mt., Star Tours)

Hong Kong Disneyland = 16 Rides, 5 Are E Tickets (Jungle Cruise, Small World, Space Mt., Grizzly, Mystic Manor)

Shanghai Disneyland = 14 Rides, 4 Are E Tickets (Soarin', Pirates, TRON Lightcycle, Roaring Rapids)

Disneyland, the park that will always give the most bang for your buck on a one day ticket. Probably why there'll never be anything else like it. Can't give too much value to your customers nowadays

Pure anti-star wars-ism. Notice how no one screams about Avatarland. Granted it's at a crappy half day zoo and not at Disneyland which somehow makes it a violation of sacred Walt ground. They might as well be removing the headstones and leaving the bodies.

That's because most people understand that the movies conservation message and even the environment can work well there. There are still some that are completely against it though. I was actually able to spend a full day at Animal Kingdom on my last trip but most people skip the things that help fill out the day so it still needs more rides in addition to all that.

 

[Donaldfan1934]

I love how Disneyland fans aren't in to the Star Wars Land idea while it's not taken as serious at WDW (Mainly HS)

That's because Star Wars Land is a perfect fit for DHS. If it was going in MK or awhere else in WDW, then I'm certain that there would be just as much disdain for it as there is for the DL version.

 

[Earl Sweatpants]

That's because DHS is a perfect fit for DHS. If it was going in MK, than I can assure you that there would be just as much disdain for it as there is for the DL version.

Exactly. SWL in DHS makes sense. SWL in MK or DL...no thanks.

 

[mickEblu]

Exactly. SWL in DHS makes sense. SWL in MK or DL...no thanks.

My vote was for DCA for the reasons above and the fact that a third gate wasn't realistic by any means... but that ship has sailed

 

[Earl Sweatpants]

My vote was for DCA for the reasons above and the fact that a third gate wasn't realistic by any means... but that ship has sailed

Which is unfortunate. A third gate scenario would have been ideal.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

All the gushing over Avatar in Disney's press release really confused me. I never wanted to go to that world. I wanted to go to Titanic. They chose the wrong James Cameron film. Now, Animal Kingdom, a park all about mother Earth and her creatures will have some ridiculous sci-fi movie planet with blue aliens. What were they thinking?

 

[dweezil78]

All the gushing over Avatar in Disney's press release really confused me. I never wanted to go to that world. I wanted to go to Titanic. They chose the wrong James Cameron film. Now, Animal Kingdom, a park all about mother Earth and her creatures will have some ridiculous sci-fi movie planet with blue aliens. What were they thinking?

I'm not the hugest Avatar/Pandora fan by any stretch here, but I really don't think it's all that difficult to see how the message conveyed in the story of Avatar applies to life here on Earth. I would argue that it has more connective tissue to the message of AK and works better as an extension to the park than Beastly Kingdom would have -- which, among many fanboys & girls, is the Discovery Bay of AK.

Or maybe you're just being sarcastic... I don't know anymore.

 

[Stevek]

All the gushing over Avatar in Disney's press release really confused me. I never wanted to go to that world. I wanted to go to Titanic. They chose the wrong James Cameron film. Now, Animal Kingdom, a park all about mother Earth and her creatures will have some ridiculous sci-fi movie planet with blue aliens. What were they thinking?

Oddly enough, one of the most lamented lands that was originally planned for DAK but never saw the light of day was focused on mythical creatures. People still want this land...is this really that much different?

 

[Stevek]

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Or maybe you're just being sarcastic... I don't know anymore.

Nobody does...