Wish (Walt Disney Animation - November 2023)

Ghost93

Ghost93

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LittleBuford said:
I feel Strange World did just that with Ethan.
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Straight characters usually get to kiss.

But maybe you are right, and I'm letting my dislike of Strange World on an artistic level cloud my judgment of its representation. I do fear the movie being weak as a whole kind of diminishes the impact of its diversity since it's a movie not that many people will want to revisit over and over.

As for "Wish," I've seen rumors that the star will be able to change genders. Whether that's simply a component of being a magical being or whether it will be seen as an attempt at non-binary/genderfluid representation, we shall see.
 
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TsWade2

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Ghost93 said:
Straight characters usually get to kiss.

But maybe you are right, and I'm letting my dislike of Strange World on an artistic level cloud my judgment of its representation. I do fear the movie being weak as a whole kind of diminishes the impact of its diversity since it's a movie not that many people will want to revisit over and over.

As for "Wish," I've seen rumors that the star will be able to change genders. Whether that's simply a component of being a magical being or whether it will be seen as an attempt at non-binary/genderfluid representation, we shall see.
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Not happening! Grace Randolph is a liar! Also, it's likely that Star is just a magical being.
 
Jedijax719

Jedijax719

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Ghost93 said:
Straight characters usually get to kiss.

But maybe you are right, and I'm letting my dislike of Strange World on an artistic level cloud my judgment of its representation. I do fear the movie being weak as a whole kind of diminishes the impact of its diversity since it's a movie not that many people will want to revisit over and over.

As for "Wish," I've seen rumors that the star will be able to change genders. Whether that's simply a component of being a magical being or whether it will be seen as an attempt at non-binary/genderfluid representation, we shall see.
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What the actual @#$% is that???
 
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DKampy

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Ghost93 said:
I wouldn't say it's just general audiences who have turned on Disney. Professional movie critics have given mixed reviews to movies like the Little Mermaid remake, Thor: Love and Thunder, Lightyear, Ant-man and the Wasp: Quantumania, Strange World and Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny.

Anti-Disney people always talk about Disney "buying off critics" but that clearly hasn't been happing the past two years as the reviews have been "mixed-to-positive" at best.
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To be fair IMO most of those were not as great as what came before

That never has happened…people also claimed Disney bought tickets to Captain Marvel because no one wanted to watch it… just a narrative people spun to try to prove they were right and everyone else was wrong
 
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TsWade2

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Okay, enough of this nonsense and let's get back on topic. I wonder if the second trailer will come in August 14th? No guaranteed, but we'll see.
 
Farerb

Farerb

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Ghost93 said:
Straight characters usually get to kiss.

But maybe you are right, and I'm letting my dislike of Strange World on an artistic level cloud my judgment of its representation. I do fear the movie being weak as a whole kind of diminishes the impact of its diversity since it's a movie not that many people will want to revisit over and over.

As for "Wish," I've seen rumors that the star will be able to change genders. Whether that's simply a component of being a magical being or whether it will be seen as an attempt at non-binary/genderfluid representation, we shall see.
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It's more likely that one of Asha's friends from her group "The Teens" (the Seven Dwarfs wannabes but not from the Snow White remake) will be non binary. I don't think the Star will be accepted as "representation". Asha and her BFF (forgot her name) might be a couple too (but that's just my theory).

I agree about Strange World, I was in no rush to see it, eventually did because my office organized a private screening for employees and their families, but I'm more interested in Wish and will probably watch it opening weekend.
 
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TsWade2

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Farerb said:
It's more likely that one of Asha's friends from her group "The Teens" (the Seven Dwarfs wannabes but not from the Snow White remake) will be non binary. I don't think the Star will be accepted as "representation". Asha and her BFF (forgot her name) might be a couple too (but that's just my theory).

I agree about Strange World, I was in no rush to see it, eventually did because my office organized a private screening for employees and their families, but I'm more interested in Wish and will probably watch it opening weekend.
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Nonsense! That’s not going to happen!
 
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Sir_Cliff

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Ghost93 said:
I would say the lesson Disney should learn regarding LGBT characters is that if they have them, they should go all in and treat them the exact way they treat heterosexual main characters. The half-hearted approach Disney has had so far is pleasing very few people.

LGBT audiences won't show up in droves to support a movie like Lightyear that has less than 30 seconds of LGBT representation. The LGBT community has, on the other hand, widely embraced animated movies like Nimona, which feature gay and non-binary characters in leading roles and whose LGBT representation is integral to the story and themes.
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While I would like to think that, I have to be honest and say that I understand why Disney would not be taking away the lesson that they need to go all-in on LGBT characters and themes in their animated features. They want another Frozen or Moana rather than a Nimona, and I just wonder whether audiences of that size in this medium exist yet.

To be clear, I also don't think they should take away the message that there should be no representation. I just think them going all-in on a $200million LGBTQ+ animated feature is a long way down the road.
 
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TsWade2

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Sir_Cliff said:
While I would like to think that, I have to be honest and say that I understand why Disney would not be taking away the lesson that they need to go all-in on LGBT characters and themes in their animated features. They want another Frozen or Moana rather than a Nimona, and I just wonder whether audiences of that size in this medium exist yet.

To be clear, I also don't think they should take away the message that there should be no representation. I just think them going all-in on a $200million LGBTQ+ animated feature is a long way down the road.
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First of all, exactly. Thank you! Second of all, however, it’s not going to happen. Strange World flop because of that. And Disney is ending that nonsense. Deal with it!
 
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Ghost93

Ghost93

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Sir_Cliff said:
While I would like to think that, I have to be honest and say that I understand why Disney would not be taking away the lesson that they need to go all-in on LGBT characters and themes in their animated features. They want another Frozen or Moana rather than a Nimona, and I just wonder whether audiences of that size in this medium exist yet.
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My point is that when Disney does minimal representation, as seen in Lightyear, people who don't like LGBT representation boycott the film anyway and treat it as if LGBT themes were the focal point. So if they are going to include gay characters, they might as well go all in. Otherwise, why bother with the financial risk when it's not even vital to the movie?
 
Jedijax719

Jedijax719

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I think the issue is not how much they got into any LGBT representation (which for Disney and other studios is actually LGB) but that many felt they were inserting representation into every single show and movie they put out, whether in the theaters, Disney Channel, or Disney+. It's their choice, but that's the main complaint I heard and read in most places. The way to balance it is to not insert it into every movie and show and when they do, make it a more deliberate effort. In other words, limit it more but make it a stronger representation when you do. That said, I am not sure what "all out" actually means.
 
Casper Gutman

Casper Gutman

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Jedijax719 said:
I think the issue is not how much they got into any LGBT representation (which for Disney and other studios is actually LGB) but that many felt they were inserting representation into every single show and movie they put out, whether in the theaters, Disney Channel, or Disney+. It's their choice, but that's the main complaint I heard and read in most places. The way to balance it is to not insert it into every movie and show and when they do, make it a more deliberate effort. In other words, limit it more but make it a stronger representation when you do. That said, I am not sure what "all out" actually means.
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The “putting it in everything” line is almost always garbage. It’s cover for objecting to ANY minority representation. It’s the same as the “M-She-U” complaints, proponents of which (including some on this board) scream about ALL MCU films becoming feminist fables when the fact is that Marvel has had TWO female-led films out of THIRTY-TWO MOVIES, with one more on the way, followed by NONE in the next six announced films. 3 in 40.
 

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