Wish (Walt Disney Animation - November 2023)

[Disney Irish]

So in late 2021 no one wanted to risk Encanto but were risking health for Sing 2 that ran in theaters the same holiday release season?
Peacock has had same day releases and still found theatrical success greater with both Sing 2 and Puss n Boots: Last Wish.

Come on, are you going to make more excuses how no one can top Disney instead of just accepting that it happens/happened?

My point is your one and only example was during a time when studios were making many adjustments to releases. It’s not an excuse it’s just a fact of the time.

So yeah it happened, that is not a guarantee of it happening again during normal times. And I’m not saying it can’t happen just that a month is a long time and so again it’s not a guarantee and shouldn’t immediately be a cause for worry.

 

[celluloid]

My point is your one and only example was during a time when studios were making many adjustments to releases. It’s not an excuse it’s just a fact of the time.

So yeah it happened, that is not a guarantee of it happening again during normal times. And I’m not saying it can’t happen just that a month is a long time and so again it’s not a guarantee and shouldn’t immediately be a cause for worry.

Ok. A couple things.

Not the only time another animation studio has outperformed Disney. It's valid to presume competition this season. You admit that.

So the second thing is, why quote me and insist on fallacy? Not really appropriate use of the way the term would typically be. I never.gursnteed anything. Educated guesses of what could happen are valid.

You keep accepting what I said originally but have since quoted it multiple times with the term fallacy.

 

[Farerb]

What about Strange World?

 

[celluloid]

What about Strange World?

Great example. Strange World and Light-year. Both failed to be close to Last Wish and were and seasons apart.

What was not a season apart,(and I am sure Disney Irish will say let's move on, call me disingenuous or come up with some other reason) was nearly a month after Lightyear was released and kind of just hanging out near the top, Rise of Gru came out and obliterated it.

So there are plenty of examples and presidence to presume the valid inference that Disney is aware and concerned over Wish against DreamWorks and Illumination surrounding their animated release.

Not a fallacy by any means.

 

[Disney Irish]

Ok. A couple things.

Not the only time another animation studio has outperformed Disney. It's valid to presume competition this season. You admit that.

So the second thing is, why quote me and insist on fallacy? Not really appropriate use of the way the term would typically be. I never.gursnteed anything. Educated guesses of what could happen are valid.

You keep accepting what I said originally but have since quoted it multiple times with the term fallacy.

I already gave my reasons why I believe your thinking is a fallacy. You may not agree with it but the term is correct and appropriately used.

 

[celluloid]

I already gave my reasons why I believe your thinking is a fallacy. You may not agree with it but the term is correct and appropriately used.

Well with zero evidence or reason other than because you had facts and evidence historically wrong that you did not care for, I don't think one would find it easy to agree. Paritcularly odd because you don't typically also agree simultaneously when you tell someone they have a fallacy. You ignored all other points that answered you directly since.

 

[Disney Irish]

Well with zero evidence or reason other than because you had facts and evidence historically wrong that you did not care for, I don't think one would find it easy to agree. Paritcularly odd because you don't typically also agree simultaneously when you tell someone they have a fallacy. You ignored all other points that answered you directly since.

Just because I agree with some points doesn’t mean I agree with all points you’ve made. I point out the ones I agree with, the ones I disagree with, just like everyone else here.

So if you dislike that please put me or anyone else you disagree with on ignore.

 

[celluloid]

Just because I agree with some points doesn’t mean I agree with all points you’ve made. I point out the ones I agree with, the ones I disagree with, just like everyone else here.

So if you dislike that please put me or anyone else you disagree with on ignore.

You can't insinuate a different animated family release is not competition but also say it's ok because of a month apart release while stating there is no evidence of that, after facts show it has happened. Debunks the fallacy. Then you just admitted the other are competition as well.

When given evidence of that beyond the 2021 season you just shut down. I don't have to ignore when you self negated.
Disagreeing and saying someone is stating a fallacy are two different things. In your opinion, you don't think Wish has much competition with Trolls 3 or Migration releasing before and after in same Holiday Season.
That does not mean by opinion that they will be healthy competition is a fallacy.
If you admit that someone's logical, than you can't say what they stated was a fallacy, as the term means the opposite.

It also just sounds funny that two of the biggest animation companies won't be any concern for the third. Like an Iger Hubris. You don't have to out gross to be competition. In business it is anything you share the market with. Maybe that is your disconnect.

 

[Disney Irish]

You can't insinuate a different animated family release is not competition but also say it's ok because of a month apart release while stating there is no evidence of that, after facts show it has happened. Debunks the fallacy. If Wosu needs a.mkntj to itself, than you just admitted the other are competition as well.

When given evidence of that beyond the 2021 season you just shut down. I don't have to ignore when you self negated.
Disagreeing and saying someone is stating a fallacy are two different things. In your opinion, you don't think Wish has much competition with Trolls 3 or Migration releasing before and after in same Holiday Season.
That does not mean by opinion that they will be healthy competition is a fallacy.
If you admit that someone's logical, than you can't say what they stated was a fallacy, as the term means the opposite.

It also just sounds funny that two of the biggest animation companies won't be any concern for the third. Like an Iger Hubris. You don't have to out gross to be competition. In business it is anything you share the market with. Maybe that is your disconnect.

I don’t agree with your opinions on Trolls 3 or Migration and I provided reasons why. And in my opinion your logic for the same is flawed, hence the term used, fallacy. And again I provided reasons why. I am entitled to this opinion just as I am anything else, whether you agree or not.

Anything is possible when it comes to the box office, especially now, that is why I’ve left open the possibility that my opinion could be incorrect. Such as when I said I don’t know how Migration will do. That isn’t hubris, it’s logical. It’s not an all or nothing equation my friend.

 

[DKampy]

I think by then we will know if Disney decided to move it more towards Jan or not.

Where did you see Wish trailers? Just curious what movies they ran before. I imagine Haunted Mansion was one of them but let's not kid ourselves that, that did not give it very much exposure.

I see Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem next week, I am wondering if one, two or all of those animated feature trailers play before that one.

I saw the Wish Trailer before Haunted Mansion and Barbie

 

[GimpYancIent]

Or just move both Wish & Once Upon a Studio to Disney+

Patience, all these productions will be on D+ after a brief theatric appearance. Wish is Disney's last shot at some kind of hit for 2023.

 

[Ghost93]

I think the financial performance of WISH really depends on if it's a great film or not. People won't show up to a movie just because it has "Disney" in the title. And there's a decent chunk of people boycotting any Disney movie due to their hatred of LGBT people and the company's (very minimal) support of the LGBT community.

If Wish has excellent reviews and word of mouth it could be a hit. But if it's just average, it will flop. People will definitely wait to see what the reception is before checking the film out.

 

[GimpYancIent]

I think the financial performance of WISH really depends on if it's a great film or not. People won't show up to a movie just because it has "Disney" in the title. And there's a decent chunk of people boycotting any Disney movie due to their hatred of LGBT people and the company's (very minimal) support of the LGBT community.

If Wish has excellent reviews and word of mouth it could be a hit. But if it's just average, it will flop. People will definitely wait to see what the reception is before checking the film out.

When it comes to Disney productions you are correct. Audiences are gun shy now and do wait for word of mouth and actual reviews from non-professional reviewers. Also, the rotten tomato scores have proven grossly inaccurate.

 

[TsWade2]

Okay, that’s enough doom and glooming! I’m sorry if I started with doom and gloom outbreak, but can we just wait and see what happens? I think Wish is going to be more classic Disney we all know and love. I think it’s going to be hit, that is, I hope it is.

 

[Jedijax719]

So Universal is putting out TWO animated movies during the holidays and competing against Disney's Wish?

 

[TsWade2]

Geez,

 

[Ghost93]

When it comes to Disney productions you are correct. Audiences are gun shy now and do wait for word of mouth and actual reviews from non-professional reviewers. Also, the rotten tomato scores have proven grossly inaccurate.

I wouldn't say it's just general audiences who have turned on Disney. Professional movie critics have given mixed reviews to movies like the Little Mermaid remake, Thor: Love and Thunder, Lightyear, Ant-man and the Wasp: Quantumania, Strange World and Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny.

Anti-Disney people always talk about Disney "buying off critics" but that clearly hasn't been happing the past two years as the reviews have been "mixed-to-positive" at best.

 

[LittleBuford]

Also, I think Disney learn their lesson for including LGBT characters since Strange World.

That would be a terrible “lesson” to learn. We’re done with being consigned to the closet.

 

[Ghost93]

That would be a terrible “lesson” to learn. We’re done with being consigned to the closet.

I would say the lesson Disney should learn regarding LGBT characters is that if they have them, they should go all in and treat them the exact way they treat heterosexual main characters. The half-hearted approach Disney has had so far is pleasing very few people.

LGBT audiences won't show up in droves to support a movie like Lightyear that has less than 30 seconds of LGBT representation. The LGBT community has, on the other hand, widely embraced animated movies like Nimona, which feature gay and non-binary characters in leading roles and whose LGBT representation is integral to the story and themes.

 

[LittleBuford]

I would say the lesson Disney should learn regarding LGBT characters is that if they have them, they should go all in and treat them the exact way they treat heterosexual main characters. The half-hearted approach Disney has had so far is pleasing very few people.

I feel Strange World did just that with Ethan.